Zero Dark Thirty

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

I'm honestly beginning to think you're sick

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

- Krishnamurti

Pro tip: He was talking about people like you, not me.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Back on topic. Is there any hard, credible evidence supporting the narrative of this movie, Zero Dark Thirty? I mean, is there anything - anything all - other than, "government agents said so"?

[ursidman]

Originally Posted by Row6

OK, F...rtsAndGaffe's hijack aside, anyone else have an opinion on the movie who actually saw it?

I saw it and thought it very very good. Wife liked it as well. I thought the water boarding was depicted without editorial comment from the director and was presented in a matter of fact manner (if you can say that about torture). I understand that water boarding was not responsible in any way for finding UBL but this was a movie and not a documentary and I knew that going in. Go see it. One of the best of the past year.

[tec68]

Originally Posted by Allanon

I believe Elvis existed.

Ok, thanks for that.

I am talking about conspiracy theories. There are a few tied to Elvis....

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

LOL, "reputable". If an engineer agrees with the official story, he's considered "reputable", if he doesn't, he's not.

No proper forensics investigation was ever completed at the scene of the World Trade Center, and certainly not one focused on explosives, as admitted by NIST. This, despite the fact that dozens of eyewitnesses claimed to hear and witness suspicious explosions coming from inside and under the towers.

Biggest crime in American history, no real investigation. Yeah, that sounds legit. I'm sure it was just another coincidence among hundreds in the 9/11 attacks.

The problem is, you have no reason, logic, or facts. All you have is what the government told you and what the media parroted for them later on. At some point, the entire official story for 9/11 rests on, "but the government said so", or, "the government couldn't do that", or, "the government wouldn't do that". That's not reason or logic, it's government drone talk.

LOL...sayz the Disney apologist.

NO detailed criminal investigation was ever undertaken about the whereabouts of Disney corporate executives or the cartoon-humanoid cast of Aladdin (the REAL 9-11 attackers...people just got confused because they assumed they were affiliated with Al Qaeda--the biggest bunch of fakers trying to claim credit for others' work since Shakespeare). The most important entertainment/media company in the world and NO ONE knows where they were or what they were doing. I'm sure it's just a "coincidence."

I'm sure it's just a "coincidence" too that 9/11 happened just 6 years after Disney bought ABC. Getting all their ducks in a row, so to speak. Consolidation of the nation's media and entertainment into one cutesy company. The whole thing's a sham: Disney uses their elite cartoon assassins to silence/stifle opposition to feed the DIC (Disney-Industrial Complex), whose profits have soared ever since.

You have no proof, logic, or reason to combat these facts. The best you can say is: "Snow White wouldn't do that" or "the Jonas brothers are too innocent to participate in that." Sorry pal, that's not reason or logic, that's Jonas brothers fanboy talk.

[Allanon]

Originally Posted by tec68

Ok, thanks for that.

I am talking about conspiracy theories. There are a few tied to Elvis....

Come on, have a sense of humor.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

LOL...sayz the Disney apologist.

NO detailed criminal investigation was ever undertaken about the whereabouts of Disney corporate executives or the cartoon-humanoid cast of Aladdin (the REAL 9-11 attackers...people just got confused because they assumed they were affiliated with Al Qaeda--the biggest bunch of fakers trying to claim credit for others' work since Shakespeare). The most important entertainment/media company in the world and NO ONE knows where they were or what they were doing. I'm sure it's just a "coincidence."

I'm sure it's just a "coincidence" too that 9/11 happened just 6 years after Disney bought ABC. Getting all their ducks in a row, so to speak. Consolidation of the nation's media and entertainment into one cutesy company. The whole thing's a sham: Disney uses their elite cartoon assassins to silence/stifle opposition to feed the DIC (Disney-Industrial Complex), whose profits have soared ever since.

You have no proof, logic, or reason to combat these facts. The best you can say is: "Snow White wouldn't do that" or "the Jonas brothers are too innocent to participate in that." Sorry pal, that's not reason or logic, that's Jonas brothers fanboy talk.

LOL, didn't read.

But cool story anyway!

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

LOL, didn't read.

But cool story anyway!

It honors me to be able to give back. You entertain all of us with your fantastical stories that I figured to return the favor.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

It honors me to be able to give back. You entertain all of us with your fantastical stories that I figured to return the favor.

LOL, says the guy who believes in a fantastical story about a dialysis-bound caveman terrorist capable of outfoxing the world's greatest intelligence network while knocking down three skyscrapers with only two airplanes! And all because, "the government says so!"

LOL, thanks for the chuckle!

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

LOL, says the guy who believes in a fantastical story about a dialysis-bound caveman terrorist capable of outfoxing the world's greatest intelligence network while knocking down three skyscrapers with only two airplanes! And all because, "the government says so!"

LOL, thanks for the chuckle!

Laugh all you want, the Jonas Brothers still won't give you backstage passes for blindly leaping to the Mouse's defense by trying to distract the *real* narrative behind 9-11 and the Mouse sending the cast of Aladdin out to hijack those airlines.

You do realize that the Jonas Brothers lyrics pre-condition you to being a sheeple for the Disney corporation, right? Subliminal messaging embedded in the lyrics brainwash you into believing the government is evil--never the while suspecting the Disney corp of their heinous crimes.

[Juggernautz]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

According to Jose Rodriguez, National Clandestine Service (D/NCS) of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) not accurate at all

How many movies actually are?

Even the one about Jessica Lynch was way off & countless others as well

[g8orbill]

Hollywood always takes literary license in these movies- it is supposed to be about entertainment-this was not a documentary

hell, we don't really know if the sumbitch is really dead- we have not seen any physical evidence and they supposedly buried him at sea (just for you coco)

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

...and they supposedly buried him at sea (just for you coco)

If that doesn't tell you how laughably ridiculous this whole story is, consider yourself beyond help. You can't possibly have a fully functioning brain and still believe this malarkey at the same time. It's simply not possibly.

[reformedgator]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

You have issues

It looks like he's one of "those people" who can be duped into believing anything.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by reformedgator

It looks like he's one of "those people" who can be duped into believing anything.

9/11 and inside job is about as ignorant and stupid as it gets.

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

I haven't seen the movie yet (I plan on it sometime this week), but I'll give my thoughts on how true-to-life the movie portrays intelligence operations.

Well, I try and keep my word--so I'll say that I had gone into it expecting a lot more than it delivered. Honestly, with as much of a joke as the Hurt Locker was, I'm not quite sure why I was expecting anything from the director, but lesson learned.

Very few things were reflective of actual intelligence or military operations--the dialogue, the behavior, and the tactics/strategy.

If people want to get a better feel for intelligence operations, the tv series Homeland does a far better job at portraying things.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

9/11 and inside job is about as ignorant and stupid as it gets.

With the exception of, "the government told us the truth, I just know they did".

[GatorAbe7]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Back on topic. Is there any hard, credible evidence supporting the narrative of this movie, Zero Dark Thirty? I mean, is there anything - anything all - other than, "government agents said so"?

Remember in the movie the Intel Agents told the CIA boss of Maya that he'd have to prove it wasn't OBL's compound before he could prove it was?

Well this kind've question deems similar treatment.

If the U.S. wanted to stage the death of OBL, why would they involve Pakistan, much less doing it a mile from Pakistan's West Point?

Why would they engage an op which lost them a valuable stealth Blackhawk?

Why wouldn't the fake death have occurred during Bush's tenure when he direly needed it?

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by GatorAbe7

Remember in the movie the Intel Agents told the CIA boss of Maya that he'd have to prove it wasn't OBL's compound before he could prove it was?

Well this kind've question deems similar treatment.

If the U.S. wanted to stage the death of OBL, why would they involve Pakistan, much less doing it a mile from Pakistan's West Point?

Why would they engage an op which lost them a valuable stealth Blackhawk?

Why wouldn't the fake death have occurred during Bush's tenure when he direly needed it?

Who knows? The point is, there's absolutely no hard, independently verifiable evidence for the alleged May 2011 killing of Osama bin Laden. No body. No video. No DNA. No nothing. The whole story is so totally ridiculous and filled with holes that I'm surprised so many people accept it as the gospel.

"But the government said so", LOL.

[gatorev12]

[quote]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Who knows? The point is, there's absolutely no hard, independently verifiable evidence for the alleged May 2011 killing of Osama bin Laden. No body. No video. No DNA. No nothing. The whole story is so totally ridiculous and filled with holes that I'm surprised so many people accept it as the gospel.

The amusing part is that--even if the government provided over everything you're requesting here (complete forensic evidence), you'd STILL "question" it--and/or completely reject everything that was provided to you with some statement amounting to "the government always lies."

I guess Al Qaeda acknowledged the death of Bin Laden for the pure hell of it, right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-20060382.html

"But the government said so", LOL

No, The Mouse told you so. Because he controls your every thought and you allow him to in order to maintain the illusion that Snow White and the Jonas brothers think you're cool. LOLzzz

After all, you can't prove me wrong the Disney is an evil corporation hell-bent on worldwide power and control