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maxgator · 01-22-2013, 04:48 PM

SMU's cheating was on an unparalleled scale though.

Really can't compare anything, including UF to what happened there.

col_kurtz · 01-22-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by maxgator

SMU's cheating was on an unparalleled scale though.

Really can't compare anything, including UF to what happened there.

No kidding, the NCAA has their head up your a$$ over previous violations and you still persist? It literally turned a storied college program into an NAIA startup. They are just barely making headway into being a competitive program to this day. But your were dealing with big oil money in Texas in the 80's and they thought they were untouchable.

sflagator · 01-22-2013, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by maxgator

SMU's cheating was on an unparalleled scale though.

Really can't compare anything, including UF to what happened there.

Yes, SMU involved the governor's office using an unearmarked fund as a slush fund for players. And that wasn't even the worst of it. The NCAA decided that they had to kill the program for a couple of years to eliminate the institutionalized cheating that went all through government. Keep in mind that back then SMU, and not UT, was Texas' team.

**fubar1** · 01-22-2013, 05:08 PM

Also, SMU had already been put on probation a couple years prior. They continued doing a lot of what went on leading to the 1st probation. This is what really irked the NCAA and led to the death penalty.

magnafides · 01-22-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by maxgator

SMU's cheating was on an unparalleled scale though.

Really can't compare anything, including UF to what happened there.

If you believe "The Pony Excess" (ESPN 30 for 30) their cheating was paralleled by several other schools, it's just that they were dumb enough to get caught.

**fubar1** · 01-22-2013, 07:54 PM

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If you believe "The Pony Excess" (ESPN 30 for 30) their cheating was paralleled by several other schools, it's just that they were dumb enough to get caught.

It's obvious that Texas A&M and others were up to their neck in cheating at that time. But I think the brazenness of SMU's cheating, combined with how high up the corruption wenta and their stubborness in stopping it caused the punishment severity.

atlantagator86 · 01-22-2013, 08:26 PM

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If you believe "The Pony Excess" (ESPN 30 for 30) their cheating was paralleled by several other schools, it's just that they were dumb enough to get caught.

You know it was. My uncle was a Bama booster in the 70s and he told me all kinds of stories about how Bama would raise money that would to go into a fund to pay players.

They would let boosters do things stand up in the observation tower with Bear Bryant during practice for $20,000. Or fly with Bear Bryant in the plane. Most of the fundraising had to do with opportunities to do things with Bryant. According to my uncle, even way back in the 70s, there were millions of dollars raised to pay players.

I think most schools were doing stuff like that, but maybe nobody to the level of Bama, according to him.

Schools like Florida (Pell era) and SMU got busted not so much because what they were doing was worse than anyone else, but they really didn't even try to hide it.

phideltdj · 01-22-2013, 08:35 PM

I'm pretty sure we tried to hide it with Pell but what really hurt was when we got hammered by the NCAA because Galen Hall gave a couple hundred dollars to I think Jarvis Williams to help him pay child support. It was the probation that allowed FSU to gain momentum that the 84-85 Gators had owned. The punishments have not been equitable for the schools in the NCAA.

Swampmaster · 01-22-2013, 10:36 PM

galen hall giving a few hundred to a star player when UF was already on probation and under the ncaa microscope---maybe one of the dumbest coaching decisions in the history of college sports.

GatorAbe7 · 01-23-2013, 01:55 PM

Looks like the notice of allegations has been significantly delayed.

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The NCAA has found what it calls "improper conduct" committed by former members of its own enforcement program during the Miami investigation, and will not deliver the long-awaited notice of allegations against the Hurricanes until an external review is completed.

zoltanuf · 01-23-2013, 02:16 PM

^^ Hmmm. Add that to the threats they issued to former players if they didn't cooperate and it looks they've really overstepped on this one. The NCAA may need to put itself on probation.

It seems to have had a Loss of Institutional Control.

geauxgator1 · 01-23-2013, 02:25 PM

What a strange twist this story has taken.
Seems like they are breathing a litte easier down in Coral Gables from what I can tell.

phideltdj · 01-23-2013, 02:44 PM

Wow talk about lucky, now nothing will happen to them. The cheating will escalate now as the NCAA may not be able to enforce anything which just goes to show you that cheating does payoff.

**DuPontGator** · 01-23-2013, 02:57 PM

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no it's like this YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH !!!!!

Ohhh ok. I was close though.

scamgtr · 01-23-2013, 03:16 PM

If the delay news is accurate, I think this does not bode well for Miami. My reading of that would be that the NCAA will be getting its ducks in a row. Cleaning up its report and investigation to make it bullet proof in anticipation of the eventual lawsuits filed by the people and institution involved. Additionally, the vague wording could also mean that somehow UM or others under investigation somehow influenced the investigators (e.g., got them into exclusive clubs and/or call girls). I cannot think of another reason an external review would be necessary. This sounds really bad for UM in my opinion.

Gatorgal04 · 01-23-2013, 03:18 PM

The NCAA members should either give the Enforcement Group subpoena power, or just disband the entire thing. Right now it's worthless. JMO.

whitelakegator · 01-23-2013, 03:34 PM

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If the delay news is accurate, I think this does not bode well for Miami. My reading of that would be that the NCAA will be getting its ducks in a row. Cleaning up its report and investigation to make it bullet proof in anticipation of the eventual lawsuits filed by the people and institution involved. Additionally, the vague wording could also mean that somehow UM or others under investigation somehow influenced the investigators (e.g., got them into exclusive clubs and/or call girls). I cannot think of another reason an external review would be necessary. This sounds really bad for UM in my opinion.

Did you read the report? NCAA investigators used bankruptcy proceedings to further their investigation. It is not allowed. I don't know exactly why but apparently the NCAA cannot use information obtained during those proceedings. Hence, the external review.

I didn't get a law degree so I can't comment more than that.

gtr2x · 01-23-2013, 03:43 PM

Kind of surprising. What's with the "throwing out evidence crap". The NCAA has never had to follow the usual legal methods to find a school guilty. They have always been the investigator, judge and jury. The Galen Hall case was a good example of that. Just innuendo.

In this case I would think the "internal review" only benefits the Canes.

scamgtr · 01-23-2013, 03:51 PM

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Did you read the report? NCAA investigators used bankruptcy proceedings to further their investigation. It is not allowed. I don't know exactly why but apparently the NCAA cannot use information obtained during those proceedings. Hence, the external review.

I didn't get a law degree so I can't comment more than that.

No, I didn't. I didn't see the link. However, I am not quite sure why the NCAA wouldn't be able use information from bankruptcy proceedings. It is public record. Unless the information is sealed under court order. I do not know why the NCAA would bar itself from using information that would be available to the general public. Bankruptcy courts are open to the public just like any courtroom in this country. I fail to see why this would be improper. However, leave it to the NCAA to create a boneheaded rule.

atlantagator86 · 01-23-2013, 03:57 PM

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I didn't see the link. However, I am not quite sure why the NCAA wouldn't be able use information from bankruptcy proceedings. It is public record. Unless the information is sealed under court order.

I would assume that those bankruptcy proceedings may not have taken place before they got the information, in which case, they wouldn't have been public record ... I don't think.