Originally Posted by GatorSaint
And the government considers it treason if you take up arms against it in the Consitution. Which is why the 2nd Amendment should be considered to apply to militias for DEFENSIVE purposes.
We have a National Guard and the most powerful military the world has ever seen, so your theory that having guns is a Constitutional right is completely bogus. We don't need, or haven't for a considerable period of time, militias.
Bunker up and live in fear, I don't care...
You do know that the best way to placate a populace is to take away their ability to fight back? It takes the President today 3 hours to activate Martial Law and another 3 hours for the NG to do door-to-door searches. I'm not saying Obama would do that but we are paving the way for a future President to do just that. Once you have disarmed the opposition, nothing stands in your way to do whatever you want.
And you to go back to school bud. Just because Jefferson didn't say it doesn't mean no one else did. There are several other Founders who mandated it and wrote about it but somehow people identify with Jefferson as the architect.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …"
Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.
"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."
"… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
Article on the Bill of Rights
"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
First President of the United States
"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Again, another from Richard Lee:
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788
"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Third President of the United States (He did say this)
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … "
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.
"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
The Federalist Papers at 184-8
Some other quotes related to the Constitution:
"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."
Third President of the United States
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
to James Madison
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
It's all over the times of that period that to prevent tyranny from taking root is through arming of the populace. You want to subvert everyone - take away their ability to fight back. Nothing else is easier to subvert than taking away a people's arms. There's no other way to fight back; we've seen this even on social networks where many supposed events die out. All it takes is the President to order the internet to be shut down and goodbye cause. How would a populace fight back if their vote someday didn't matter?
But an armed citizen can't be shutdown and all it takes is the people to gather as one army to take back the country if it ever came to that.