Gator Country

GatorRade · 01-12-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner

We're almost there.

Thanks.

Yep. The wealthiest country in the history of Earth, with the best healthcare, lowest infant mortality, highest number of luxury purchases. If we just fall another 196 slots, we'll be at the bottom for sure. Almost there.

fredsanford · 01-12-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorRade

Yep. The wealthiest country in the history of Earth, with the best healthcare, lowest infant mortality, highest number of luxury purchases. If we just fall another 196 slots, we'll be at the bottom for sure. Almost there.

We are far from the best in healthcare. 38th, I believe.

**g8orbill** · 01-12-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by surfn1080

Ha are you crazy? Why should the "poor" pay anything? About 50% of this county pays no federal tax. Do your really think the left would force a fair sales tax? And I bunny eared poor because even in America poor is 10 times better than most of the world.

surfn- unless we start making everyone contribute we will continue to dig that hole deeper and deeper

mocgator · 01-12-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fredsanford

We are far from the best in healthcare. 38th, I believe.

We have the best in the world. I can set up a matrix that shows us to have the worst on the planet... But it doesn't make it true.

Swampmaster · 01-12-2013, 08:49 AM

fair tax--too regressive to ever get passed. Wealthy who spend a small % of their income would pay little tax compared to someone making $80,000 who spends all of their income on necessities.

mocgator · 01-12-2013, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rivergator

Pretend? You guys are pretending that 30 cents sales tax on a dollar is 23 percent. "See, we put the tax in before, so it's really not 30 percent ..."

Have you ever run a company? Do you understand the concept of imbedded tax?

mocgator · 01-12-2013, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Income tax = State-managed neo-slavery

Corporate tax = Clown economics

Jindal's got part of the equation correct, but then goes and blows it on the rest.

Corporations as we all know... Never ever pay tax. Never have... Never will... People pay taxes.

GatorSaint · 01-12-2013, 08:52 AM

Bill can't seem to get it through his head that "everyone" does contribute to paying taxes, just not INCOME taxes.

He can't seem to get his head around the fact that Nixon, Reagan, and Bush II put people in income tax brackets that pay no taxes so that super rich folks could come out of their traditional tax brackets of 40-90%.

Now the rich are doing fine no matter what bracket they are in, the rest of the country.... not so much.

Between giving it away to special interests in every legislative session, starting wars we don't pay for, and fellating the rich, the deficit has ballooned due to Republican administrations.

**g8orbill** · 01-12-2013, 09:16 AM

Saint- I am well aware of your posture on this issue-I am talking about income taxes and those who pay little or nothing

while I would prefer the fair tax or a national sales tax-I would gladly accept a flat tax no deductions everyone who has income pays- until everyone has skin in the game we will continue to have a great deal of our citizenry on the dole instead of being producers

GatorSaint · 01-12-2013, 09:25 AM

If the total tax burden is somewhat similar between two citizens, one rich, one poor, why in the hell would anyone care what the poor pay in income taxes???

Everyone, indeed, has skin in the game, just not skin that is tatooed "INCOME TAX"

Which part of that can't your brain grasp?

**g8orbill** · 01-12-2013, 09:30 AM

the total tax burden is not equal and until the close to 50% who pay zero income taxes start paying income taxes will will continue to dig this hole deeper

your prez has been extremely successful in his class envy/warfare mantra

GatorSaint · 01-12-2013, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by g8orbill

the total tax burden is not equal and until the close to 50% who pay zero income taxes start paying income taxes will will continue to dig this hole deeper

your prez has been extremely successful in his class envy/warfare mantra

And putting your head in the sand and not seeing the wealth disparity in the country growing day by day means you are willingly led about by the nose by your Tea Party e-mails.

Do facts matter at all in your world?

rivergator · 01-12-2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mocgator

Have you ever run a company? Do you understand the concept of imbedded tax?

It's a sales tax. 30 cents on a dollar.
When we add a seven cents on a dollar, we call it a seven percent sales tax. We don't say, "Well, technically, that 7 cents tax is only 6.5 percent of the final $1.07. So it's really only a 6.5 percent tax."
Seven cents on a dollar is a seven-percent tax.
30 cents on the dollar is a 30 percent tax.

philnotfil · 01-12-2013, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Swampmaster

fair tax--too regressive to ever get passed. Wealthy who spend a small % of their income would pay little tax compared to someone making $80,000 who spends all of their income on necessities.

That would be the flat tax you are thinking of. The fair tax plan includes a prebate that would make it less regressive, but (shhh) would also mean that some of the people at the bottom have no net tax burden.

Swampmaster · 01-12-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by philnotfil

That would be the flat tax you are thinking of. The fair tax plan includes a prebate that would make it less regressive, but (shhh) would also mean that some of the people at the bottom have no net tax burden.

this "prebate" still doesn't make the fair tax non-regressive. It's just a PR thing for selling it to the public.

philnotfil · 01-12-2013, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by g8orbill

the total tax burden is not equal and until the close to 50% who pay zero income taxes start paying income taxes will will continue to dig this hole deeper

your prez has been extremely successful in his class envy/warfare mantra

The total tax burden is actually quite close. The progressive federal income tax structure is made up for by the regressive nature of all of the other taxes.

This was as of 2008:

brainstorm · 01-12-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rivergator

But increase sales tax, the most regressive tax there is. Yes, let the poor people take care of it ...

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Well, govt deficit created inflation is a pretty close second. If it was called by what it really is - a tax. The govt just spends it before it collects it and devalues the dollar in the process.

**g8orbill** · 01-12-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorSaint

And putting your head in the sand and not seeing the wealth disparity in the country growing day by day means you are willingly led about by the nose by your Tea Party e-mails.

Do facts matter at all in your world?

The ONLY way you will ever supposedly make everyone equal is through socialism and communism- others the doers are always going to have more than the takers

MichiGator2002 · 01-12-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by g8orbill

The ONLY way you will ever supposedly make everyone equal is through socialism and communism- others the doers are always going to have more than the takers

Almost equally worth noting is that the only place at which such equality could be affixed is at the low end. If you scale it globally, it would necessarily mean every American in a state that they would recognize as nothing short of abject poverty.

Dreamliner · 01-12-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorRade

Yep. The wealthiest country in the history of Earth, with the best healthcare, lowest infant mortality, highest number of luxury purchases. If we just fall another 196 slots, we'll be at the bottom for sure. Almost there.

You sound like one of those "Love it or leave it!" types.

BTW, we're about the 15th best country in the world in the latest rankings (and falling).

But we are the fattest!