01-11-2013, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bluelang
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Two thoughts:
1. Pretty strange to release a picture to the media of the entire family and then dress your middle daughter in the same dress of her dead sister for the Obama photo-op.
2. The dad's reaction is still extremely creepy whether it happened or not. The man is laughing while walking up to the podium and then suddenly feels the need to change emotions for the camera to a distraught father. Very strange. His emotions appear to be that of an actor.
Either way, I think there's more to this than we know. Every family that has been interviewed on national TV are huge gun-control advocates to the point where a few believe guns, all guns, should be taken away. I've yet to see one family member say the reasonable thing and that's the fact that we need to make sure guns don't get in the hands of the mentally-unstable. Taking from law-abiding citizens is not the way to handle it, period.
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01-11-2013, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Spurffelbow833
If this were a staged event, I believe it would have three goals:
1. Weaken gun rights
2. Increase police presence in the environment of children
3. Increase the demand for psychiatric services/promote the sentiment that more people need to be on mind-numbing drugs
As to whether it actually was staged, I don't know. The pure efficiency of the carnage is certainly suspicious, but with 300 million increasingly obtuse and objectionable individuals comprising this particular state, you can't rule out the possibility that, in this case at least, someone incapable of being reasoned with exploded.
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You've nailed this one. Google 'increased police presence at schools'
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01-11-2013, 08:54 AM
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The dads reaction is why I think something is up. I have a girl around that age and there would be no circumstance that I would do a press conference much less laugh and joke around right before I started to speak. It's almost like a joke.
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01-11-2013, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DSRrg
The dads reaction is why I think something is up. I have a girl around that age and there would be no circumstance that I would do a press conference much less laugh and joke around right before I started to speak. It's almost like a joke.
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But an actor paid to pretend to be greiving would? Must not be a method actor then. Stella Adler would be furious.
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01-11-2013, 09:17 AM
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ugh, if only 9/11 happened on a Democrats watch
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01-11-2013, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bluelang
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Thanks for posting this.
Personally, I think its healthy for people to be skeptical, and its even healthier if the false ideas can be reasonably addressed to help alleviate the skepticism.
As for the behavior of the man in the press conference, when tragedy strikes you, you have no idea how your emotions will be expressed. There could have been the slightest of distractions that led to a grin on his face, and when tragedy hits you, distractions can be like a drug that allow you to temporarily not think about things in what may otherwise be a normal perspective or level of priority.
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01-11-2013, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WESGATORS
Thanks for posting this.
Personally, I think its healthy for people to be skeptical, and its even healthier if the false ideas can be reasonably addressed to help alleviate the skepticism.
As for the behavior of the man in the press conference, when tragedy strikes you, you have no idea how your emotions will be expressed. There could have been the slightest of distractions that led to a grin on his face, and when tragedy hits you, distractions can be like a drug that allow you to temporarily not think about things in what may otherwise be a normal perspective or level of priority.
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The fact that he's laughing is strange but the fact that he changes emotions for the cameras when stepping up to the microphone is even stranger. I wouldn't have thought as much about it had he not totally changed emotions in a split second but that was just weird. It seemed totally fake as if he was a bad actor with no prior training. Creepy.
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01-11-2013, 09:41 AM
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Maybe he was medicated, which could have something to do with it.
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01-11-2013, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AmericaFirst
The fact that he's laughing is strange but the fact that he changes emotions for the cameras when stepping up to the microphone is even stranger. I wouldn't have thought as much about it had he not totally changed emotions in a split second but that was just weird. It seemed totally fake as if he was a bad actor with no prior training. Creepy.
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Or just a typical human, aware of social expectations in a different situation. I would imagine that in a lockerroom athletes are cutting up and laughing for a bit before a big game or in the midst of a terrible season, then they get their "game face" on. No one thinks that's creepy or a conspiracy.
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01-11-2013, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by wgbgator
Or just a typical human, aware of social expectations in a different situation. I would imagine that in a lockerroom athletes are cutting up and laughing for a bit before a big game or in the midst of a terrible season, then they get their "game face" on. No one thinks that's creepy or a conspiracy.
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Athletes who are having a terrible season cracking jokes compared to a family whose 6 year old was gunned down by a lunatic....
Yeah, sounds like they have a lot in common.....
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01-11-2013, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DSRrg
Athletes who are having a terrible season cracking jokes compared to a family whose 6 year old was gunned down by a lunatic....
Yeah, sounds like they have a lot in common.....
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They do, they are all people who are aware of the social expectations in given situations.
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01-11-2013, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by wgbgator
They do, they are all people who are aware of the social expectations in given situations.
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I don't think that a father who just lost a child in such a devastating manner would be very aware of "social expectations."
typically, people going through such traumatic events become emotionally detached to such things during a severe grieving process.
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01-11-2013, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by madgator
I don't think that a father who just lost a child in such a devastating manner would be very aware of "social expectations."
typically, people going through such traumatic events become emotionally detached to such things during a severe grieving process.
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What are you basing these assertions on?
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01-11-2013, 10:56 AM
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I'll ask again. What do you guys think happened that morning?
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01-11-2013, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by wgbgator
What are you basing these assertions on?
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this question coming from the person who compared losing a child to losing a football game
honestly, you are coming across as knowing absolutely nothing about grief/depression and it's processes.
anyone who has taken even a psych 101 class knows that isolation/detachment is a step in the process.
now considering the fact that this incident was extremely high profile and the timing was during the holiday season, I would expect the grieving process to more than likely be elongated.
mind you, the grieving process is individual and everyone is different. But I certainly wouldn't be callous as to minimize the experience to compare it to losing a football game.
Unless that individual (the interviewer) has another set of emotional detachment disorders. Basically, that mans actions are not typical
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01-11-2013, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by madgator
this question coming from the person who compared losing a child to losing a football game
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I just said people conform their behavior to social expectations, and gave an example. I don't think there was a direct or even impied equivalence of situations. So, I ask again, upon what are you basing your expectation for behavior?
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01-11-2013, 11:05 AM
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Torrey Smith understands what wgb is saying.
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01-11-2013, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnC1908
I'll ask again. What do you guys think happened that morning?
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JohnC, I don't know. The only ones who know for sure are either dead or will take it to their graves.
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01-11-2013, 11:31 AM
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I just watched "grieving" dad for the first time. This is really blowing my mind.
I mean, what are the theories out there? That nobody really died, or that the people were murdered by black ops? This is a small town, and it's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that there aren't people from the town calling bulls*** on this. These people all knew each other. Black ops couldn't just drop in and make up people who never existed without the Newtown residents knowing. If this dad is an actor, where are the parents of other kids screaming that he's a fake? And yet, he is so much a fake. The whole thing is just weird.
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01-11-2013, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by WESGATORS
Torrey Smith understands what wgb is saying.
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are you a parent?
is wgb?
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