01-10-2013, 09:58 AM
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Der König der Grube
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Originally Posted by gator996
Obama caused Tuscon, Ariz?
Obama caused Aurora, CO?
Obama caused Sandy Hook, CT?
The gun & anti-gun groups weren't already pitted against each other?
I suppose you would want your POTUS to shutup regarding the issues of the day.
But then, you could complain that Obama is showing no leadership...  |
He should shut the hell up considering that his 'hometown' Chicago one cant carry a weapon in self protection but have stupid amounts of murder by guns in the country.
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01-10-2013, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gator996
So its his "possible" use of executive order that bothers you or that he's speaking on the subject at all?
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It's the fact that he exists that bothers some posters the most.
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01-10-2013, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gator996
The WH is meeting with mental health professionals today regarding gun violence.
Gun retailers, Walmart & Dick's Sporting Goods, have been added to the vistors list also.
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Well we know what that is going to be about with regard to these companies don't we. They only stand to profit.
Care to give a comparison in the time he has given to mental health issue vs direct gun control?
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01-10-2013, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PIMking
He should shut the hell up considering that his 'hometown' Chicago one cant carry a weapon in self protection but have stupid amounts of murder by guns in the country.
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He addresses that point in the video from the debate.
It was Obama long before Sandy Hook who said we have to address the problem from many angles including mental health, poverty, culture, etc.
There are too many gun deaths in every town, city, state....
By your rationale, no one would be able to speak on the topic.
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01-10-2013, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by gator996
There are too many gun deaths in every town, city, state....
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Broad sweeping statement
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01-10-2013, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by gatorman_07732
Well we know what that is going to be about with regard to these companies don't we. They only stand to profit.
Care to give a comparison in the time he has given to mental health issue vs direct gun control?
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I don't know...
Do you?
I think since the Sandy Hook incident ...everytime the POTUS has spoken he's mentioned mental health as an issue.
How much time Biden is devoting to it?
I have no clue.
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01-10-2013, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by oragator1
Wasn't blaming you, just more weirdness from Lapierre who also blamed video games and movies, as if those don't exist in Europe where gun violence is exponentially lower. And guys like Huckabee blame losing God and loss of the family unit as if again Europe is somehow this bastion of religion and nuclear families where they don't have this problem.
Everything should be part of the discussion including our poverty levels which are higher than much of the world, our more mobile society which cuts family bonds etc., but the pathological inability by some to even consider the fact that having over 40% of all the guns on the planet here in the US might lead to some increased gun violence is borderline bizarre.
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I'm not sure why we would look at poverty in response to another mass shooting. The mass shootings in the US are a middle class, possibly even an upper-middle class when we start talking about school shootings specifically, problem.
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01-10-2013, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by philnotfil
I'm not sure why we would look at poverty in response to another mass shooting. The mass shootings in the US are a middle class, possibly even an upper-middle class when we start talking about school shootings specifically, problem.
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Obama was speaking on gun violence not just mass shootings...
I have yet to understand why people think the POTUS is only addressing mass shootings...America is tried of all gun violence...mass shootings is just a subset.
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01-10-2013, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Row6
Correction. Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago and the Constitution is not clear on the issue of gun ownership.
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Recent Supreme Court decisions disagree with this view.
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01-10-2013, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gator996
Obama was speaking on gun violence not just mass shootings...
I have yet to understand why people think the POTUS is only addressing mass shootings...America is tried of all gun violence...mass shootings is just a subset.
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Because Sandy Hook?
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01-10-2013, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by gator996
America is tried of all gun violence..
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Good news then. Gun violence is declining in America.
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01-10-2013, 11:02 AM
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gun control is not a pressing issue
the economy, the lack of a budget, our deficit and jobs are
I would like the 47%ers prez to follow the Constitution and not overstep his boundaries once again by using executive order
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01-10-2013, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by gator996
I don't know...
Do you?
I think since the Sandy Hook incident ...everytime the POTUS has spoken he's mentioned mental health as an issue.
How much time Biden is devoting to it?
I have no clue.
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What they are going to do is what they feel is politically expedient. The mental health issue is a tough one to tackle and will take time. They want to show that they are doing something immediately.
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01-10-2013, 11:02 AM
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Der König der Grube
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Originally Posted by gator996
He addresses that point in the video from the debate.
It was Obama long before Sandy Hook who said we have to address the problem from many angles including mental health, poverty, culture, etc.
There are too many gun deaths in every town, city, state....
By your rationale, no one would be able to speak on the topic.
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I'm not a politician...
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01-10-2013, 11:03 AM
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996- all you have to do is look at chicago to see that strict gun laws and gun control do nothing to stop the violent crimes where guns are used
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01-10-2013, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gator996
There are too many gun deaths in every town, city, state....
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Take a look at the statistics.
http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas...d.php?t=253644
Violent crime is down 50%.
Gun deaths are steadily decreasing.
Murders from assault rifles account for only 300+ of 8000+ gun deaths.
Time to use facts instead of random acts of violence to push your agenda.
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01-10-2013, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by g8orbill
gun control is not a pressing issue
the economy, the lack of a budget, our deficit and jobs are
I would like the 47%ers prez to follow the Constitution and not overstep his boundaries once again by using executive order
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Tell that to the parents of Sandy Hook & Aurora....
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01-10-2013, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gator996
Tell that to the parents of Sandy Hook & Aurora....
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That incident was more about the stupidity of a mother and nothing about gun control. They have some of the toughest gun control in the country. This is an example of you getting in over you head on a topic you don't know much about.
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01-10-2013, 11:09 AM
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I totally underwstand why you would say that 996-but what happened there whiile a tragedy is the exxception not the norm
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01-10-2013, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by g8orbill
996- all you have to do is look at chicago to see that strict gun laws and gun control do nothing to stop the violent crimes where guns are used
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Why not look at global stats?
Strict gun law works elsewhere...
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