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Old 01-10-2013, 08:17 AM   #21
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row- I would love to see any of you libs actually comment on the story instead of the usual deflection as to where the piece came from or who wrote it
As I said on the previous thread on the exact same subject: I think it'd a mistake to use an executive order on this.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:21 AM   #22
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I agree completely. It is perfectly obvious that Obama cares little for the Constitution, and other laws, for that matter. He subjugates the Constitution to his overwhelming need to get his own way.

Recall that Obama taught constitutional law at Harvard. Perhaps he should go back for a refresher course.

Prepare for a major battle if Obama decides to ignore the Consitution. How much of our money will the government spend to fight the multitude of cases that are inevitable all the way to the Supreme Court?
Correction. Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago and the Constitution is not clear on the issue of gun ownership.

The 2nd amendment was an anachronism almost immediately after it was written as were the other parts of the Constitution dealing with militias. The multi fold arguments surrounding the concept dated back 500 years in England before our Constitution was written and there was no clear consensus on its meaning. It's garbled language reflects that fact. There have only been 2 laws passed by Congress based on militia, the most recent being over 100 years ago., and except for the National Guard, no implementation of the control and oversight required by the Constitution. It's archaic.
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All this BS is just obama doing what he does best. Pitting one segment of the population, against the other. Keeping the people riled up, and daring someone to take a potshot at him during his re coronation.
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row- I would love to see any of you libs actually comment on the story instead of the usual deflection as to where the piece came from or who wrote it
what's to comment on? nothing specific has been proposed. When and if it is, we and ultimately the courts can address it's legality.
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All this BS is just obama doing what he does best. Pitting one segment of the population, against the other. Keeping the people riled up, and daring someone to take a potshot at him during his re coronation.
Obama caused Tuscon, Ariz?
Obama caused Aurora, CO?
Obama caused Sandy Hook, CT?

The gun & anti-gun groups weren't already pitted against each other?


I suppose you would want your POTUS to shutup regarding the issues of the day.

But then, you could complain that Obama is showing no leadership...
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Yes, obama should shut up about this issue, if all he's going to do is issue broad divisive statements, like he's going to solve our supposed gun problem via executive order. Regardless of how much you worship the man, he's not king of the U.S.
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Obama caused Tuscon, Ariz?
Obama caused Aurora, CO?
Obama caused Sandy Hook, CT?

The gun & anti-gun groups weren't already pitted against each other?


I suppose you would want your POTUS to shutup regarding the issues of the day.

But then, you could complain that Obama is showing no leadership...
Auto accidents kill approximately 100 people per day nationally. Should we ban cars? Or do our best to enforce "existing" laws on the books and keep those who should not be operating vehicles (impaired drivers) off the roads?
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Yes, obama should shut up about this issue, if all he's going to do is issue broad divisive statements, like he's going to solve our supposed gun problem via executive order. Regardless of how much you worship the man, he's not king of the U.S.

So its his "possible" use of executive order that bothers you or that he's speaking on the subject at all?



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996- I want your potus to focus on our economy and righting the ship and not a tragedy that is more the exception than the norm-this bulla bulla is what he does instead of actually doing his job
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Auto accidents kill approximately 100 people per day nationally. Should we ban cars? Or do our best to enforce "existing" laws on the books and keep those who should not be operating vehicles (impaired drivers) off the roads?

So that means the "existing" laws are the only ones that can ever regulate society?
At what time point did the "existing" laws become unchangeable?

Did the "existing" laws come down from the mount in stone tablet form?



And how do you keep those who shouldn't be operating off the road?

You pull their operating registration (Driver's Liscense) and incarcerate them when they disobey.

So should we...mandatory registration of all guns, background checks on all guns...incarcerate those that don't want to comply
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So its his "possible" use of executive order that bothers you or that he's speaking on the subject at all?



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Prez is on it already...

Remember this?

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996- I want your potus to focus on our economy and righting the ship and not a tragedy that is more the exception than the norm-this bulla bulla is what he does instead of actually doing his job
So you don't want him to focus on gun violence?


Should he focus on Iran?
Should he focus on healthcare?
Should he focus on immigration?
Should he focus on China? Russia? N Korea?
Should he focus on hurricane victims?
Should he focus on Iraq & Afghanistan?

The idea that the POTUS should only address one issue until its resolved is ,in a word,...

Stupid.
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Prez is on it already...

Remember this?

I don't think this president remembers anything about the campaign. I'm not currently hearning much about the mental health issue, but rather ways to come down on all gun owners.
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Speak on it all you want, but to send biden out to infer the prez will use executive order, is nothing but an attempt to piss off as many people as possible.

No, if its likely to be killed by the NRA lobby why would use of an available power nothing more than an attempt to "piss off" people?

Is Gabby Giffords simply trying to "piss off" people also?
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So you don't want him to focus on gun violence?


Should he focus on Iran?
Should he focus on healthcare?
Should he focus on immigration?
Should he focus on China? Russia? N Korea?
Should he focus on hurricane victims?
Should he focus on Iraq & Afghanistan?

The idea that the POTUS should only address one issue until its resolved is ,in a word,...

Stupid.
And the idea that if the president just spent two hours more a day on the economy, he could fix it.
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I don't think this president remembers anything about the campaign. I'm not currently hearning much about the mental health issue, but rather ways to come down on all gun owners.
The WH is meeting with mental health professionals today regarding gun violence.

Gun retailers, Walmart & Dick's Sporting Goods, have been added to the vistors list also.
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