Somebody needs to pay for all my children, someone needs to be held accountable

[Swampmaster]

You need to pay up---wealth needs to be shared. She's entitled.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Child abuse does not have to be necessarily physical, but just the concept that she could not possibly attend to the basic needs of all her children could in and of itself be child abuse.

That would be called, child neglect. Which, if supported by the facts, is unlawful.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatordowneast

When animals are found in squalid conditions without food or water, libbies scream bloody murder and want all the animals put up for adoption. Yet when beautiful little babies and kids are in the same situation, libbies scream about "rights". What about the rights of those kids to have a chance at a future?

Contrary to what you believe...

There are many stories of people who are raised in large poverty stricken famlies that rise to success.

I find it more than contradictory that those who want no infringement of freedom & liberty by the government want to infringe here and throw the kids on the responsibility of the state.

If you're bitchin' about the cost of the welfare the mother wants what can you say about the higher costs of taking her children away.

This woman needs education, job skills training, and a job more than any other type of assistance.

Personally, I don't think that woman is representative of anything on a large scale...
Other than the hopelessness of poverty, especially when the father has been incarcerated.

Is this woman any more representative than "Octo-Mom" who has 14 kids and lives off of public assistance...

...and yet isn't seen as representative of "leftie" politics, the "ghetto" subculture, etc.


To be honest, I think most of what's written here is because its a black family.

Taking the children away, forced adoption, sterilization, lack of morality, lack of god in education, etc. have all been discussed in this thread...

I just wonder if it was a white poor family of 15, if all of these topics would even have been brought up for discussion?


This black family becomes representative of the "47%" and draws all sort of political criticism but a non-black family like Octomom doesn't become representative a greater portion of white society.


Some of what is contained in this thread smacks of the breakup of the black family that occured during slavery.

[Lawdog88]

White, black, brown, or purple, I am down with what WES said.

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by gator996

I find it more than contradictory that those who want no infringement of freedom & liberty by the government want to infringe here and throw the kids on the responsibility of the state.

I have a different take on it. We want to have a system that discourages irresponsible people from reproducing irresponsibly. It doesn't matter to me whether that system is privately managed or is managed by the government, but I would imagine that the more liberal among us would feel better about it and it would meet less resistance if it was a government program. The bottom line is that it would result in less of a burden on society, less children being abused (the cost savings is really insignificant in light of the clear and obvious benefits not related to cost).

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[g8orbill]

In the end to me it is about personal responsibility and a break down on both morals and ethics and the breakdown of the family unit -being a restaurant owner and employing young people, I can tell you in crosses all racial lines- it came to ahead in the 60's with the hippy movement and if it feels good just do it, coupled with the taking of prayer and God out of our educational system

[busigator96]

Nobody is addressing the problem. Nobody normal would choose to have that many kids. I doubt she is a "whole" person and this is her way of dealing with life. Raising kids is a hard job...harder than what Uncle Sam would give her.

[gator996]

Wes, that's fine...

But look at the responses in this thread...

Sterilization, forced adoption, cries of what Angel's family is costing taxpayers, lack of morality (100% assumed), etc.

And this is from "conservatives"...

All I see here is "take her kids away, tie her tubes, cut her money"...


What this woman needs is some personal responsibility skills & job training.


Wasn't that a part of what the "republican revolution" was about?
Reformed welfare?

Funny, I watched a whole bunch of conservatives respond here....

Didn't see much about creating economic opportunity...


But splitting up the family? Hooray!!!

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by busigator96

Nobody is addressing the problem. Nobody normal would choose to have that many kids. I doubt she is a "whole" person and this is her way of dealing with life. Raising kids is a hard job...harder than what Uncle Sam would give her.

Its only hard if you're doing your job

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by gator996

Wes, that's fine...

But look at the responses in this thread...

Sterilization, forced adoption, cries of what Angel's family is costing taxpayers, lack of morality (100% assumed), etc.

And this is from "conservatives"...

All I see here is "take her kids away, tie her tubes, cut her money"...


What this woman needs is some personal responsibility skills & job training.

Wasn't that a part of what the "republican revolution" was about?
Reformed welfare?

Funny, I watched a whole bunch of conservatives respond here....

Didn't see much about creating economic opportunity...

But splitting up the family? Hooray!!!

Too late. And . . . there is no real family in this picture.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

In the end to me it is about personal responsibility and a break down on both morals and ethics and the breakdown of the family unit -being a restaurant owner and employing young people, I can tell you in crosses all racial lines- it came to ahead in the 60's with the hippy movement and if it feels good just do it, coupled with the taking of prayer and God out of our educational system

bil
I don't agree but I respect your opinion...

The only thing I have a "problem" with is that you're making an assumption about that woman's morality & spirituality...you don't know.

10 of those kids were the product of her & her husband per the video.

He's incarcerated.

She doesn't appear to have much education and obviously has been busy having & raising 15 kids...probably not much in the way of job skills either.

[g8orbill]

996 I'm not sure how it can be an assumption Everywoman is having multiple children by multiple male partners and not be married

[gator996]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Too late. And . . . there is no real family in this picture.

Glad you believe that...

You want to be in charge in determining when a life becomes worthless...not worthy of help?

There's "no real family" there because they're poor?


You may be in need of more help than they will ever be...


Let me ask, I dunno...

Are you a spiritual person? Christian?

[gator996]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

996 I'm not sure how it can be an assumption Everywoman is having multiple children by multiple male partners and not be married

From the video, 10 of the 15 are from one man...I think her husband.

I'm not trying to be non-realisitic here....obviously this woman needs lots of different types of assistance

Most importantly job skills since she's probably been having kids constantly since HS.

My point is not much of that was brought up on this thread.
Just alot of unamerican stuff (forced sterilization?)


She's not the norm...she's an outlier but its obviously posted for shock value & to forward a political viewpoint.

When the news media covers poor white families in the same manner as this "coverage" then maybe I won't have to question the "representative-ness" of this example.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by gator996

Glad you believe that...

You want to be in charge in determining when a life becomes worthless...not worthy of help?

There's "no real family" there because they're poor?

You may be in need of more help than they will ever be...

Let me ask, I dunno...

Are you a spiritual person? Christian?

If appointed to that position, yes I would serve.

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

That would be called, child neglect. Which, if supported by the facts, is unlawful.

Neglect is just another firm of abuse.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

If appointed to that position, yes I would serve.

Seems you appointed yourself already....

Religous? Spiritual?

[mocgator]

Look... it's a simple fact that there is a massive growth in the anti-achievement mentality, along with a larger and larger sense of entitlement, in the looter class. It's here to stay with the leftist government we have.... because it buys votes.

We will hear that this looter, who obviously embodies the looter class' anti-achievement and entitlement mentality to a "T", is divine and in need of help from everyone... yet the producers who must pay for this fool's bad decisions are evil and greedy.

Bizarro World my friends...

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by gator996

Seems you appointed yourself already....

Religous? Spiritual?

No, but I would if appointed.

But hey, since you want to sling a little, I'll get down wid ju.

No woman having 12 children, who can't support them, got there accidentally. She got there irresponsibly, and it is laughable to suggest that she has any notion or desire to suddenly become "personally responsible," as you suggest she does. It doesn't take 12 pregnancies and children for a person to learn responsibility. In fact, she claims that all of the children are someone else's responsibility, not hers, and that they better damn sure step in and do something. So we all got her pregnant 12 times ?

Thus, the question arises, when people act irresponsibly - like her - and twelve times later society is still footing the bill (other taxpaying individuals) for their ever-increasing, unchecked irresponsibility and growing dependence, should the government have been required to intervene before it came to this ?

WES suggested that something should intervene in this kind of circumstance, where quite obviously, the woman has no sense and is breeding like a lab experiment gone bad. Should it be the government ? The Courts ? I suggested earlier, maybe after 3 children and total government dependence, prohibition might be required. I think it is a rational approach to an addiction to irresponsibility that a certain segment of society does not have the interest in controlling . . . and does not want. Hey, it's just a fact of life.

Since Big Brother is already here, IMO, so might as well get Bro to do something useful.

[gator996]

If you believe the video...

She didn't have social impact until her husband was arrested...

...AFTER having all dem kidz



How many people would be slinging "irresponsible" if there wasn't an
economic issue?


Conservatives...all for the family, freedom, liberty...
...until bad times befall someone and they have to pay for them...
...then its big government, restricted rights...

The joke here is that most of the "solutions"/comments offered would actually cost more than the current "leftist" government solution...

What's really sad is that current solution can't get their act together and actually help this family in a organized, integrated way...so the money goes "wasted".


If a large family got busted out in the mortgage mess and they're on government assistance...should we take their kids away and sterilize the mother for being stupid enough to think they couldn't go bankrupt?

If that's the case, a whole lotta women...black & white... would be lining up to get their tubes tied and kissing their kids goodbye.