Somebody needs to pay for all my children, someone needs to be held accountable

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

As much as a I hate to see this, the state should step in for an evaluation and see if she is unfit to be a mother. When you subside something you get more of it, so really there has to be another approach.

I can see why you hate to say it, because it is everything conservatives claim they're against: A state bureaucrat making a decision about someone's life.
The bottom line though is that because of this woman's complete incompetence at life, there are absolutely no good answers. Support her or not? Take the kids away or not?

[dadx4]

Originally Posted by gator996

This is what you get from smaller, less intrusive goverment folks...

Whatever happened to freedom & liberty?

You can cutoff her aid... fine.
But proposing government mandated adoption?

Must be modeling your public policy on China.


And you guys call Obama the communist?

Like he said, as long as your not taking money out of my pocket for crap like this, fine. She is the one that has the 15 kids. TAKE CARE OF THEM YOURSELF. She should be getting about 5k per month from ss, food stamps, ssi, disability, medicaid, medicare...etc...etc....where's all of that money going? Oh and yes that is money coming out of our pockets.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by rivergator

I can see why you hate to say it, because it is everything conservatives claim they're against: A state bureaucrat making a decision about someone's life.
The bottom line though is that because of this woman's complete incompetence at life, there are absolutely no good answers. Support her or not? Take the kids away or not?

The kids would have a better shot at life if they were taken away wouldn't they?

[gator996]

Originally Posted by dadx4

Like he said, as long as your not taking money out of my pocket for crap like this, fine. She is the one that has the 15 kids. TAKE CARE OF THEM YOURSELF. She should be getting about 5k per month from ss, food stamps, ssi, disability, medicaid, medicare...etc...etc....where's all of that money going? Oh and yes that is money coming out of our pockets.

Didn't I say "Cut her aid...fine."

You seem to be ducking the pint made that you want more government involved in CERTAIN people's lives...

Plan on setting up another governement agency to become the ward of all of these children prior to their adoption?

Care to deal with the report of abuse that will come out of your creation?
How about the complaints of financial waste of your creation?

To be honest...that $5K might be the cheapest way to address the problem.

You want people pumping out kids and you pay for them from birth to 18 100%???

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

The kids would have a better shot at life if they were taken away wouldn't they?

Probably.

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by rivergator

what about the kids? let them starve?

That's always the conundrum in these situations. Even if they are taken away from her, as was suggested by others, is there any guarantee there are people who will adopt them.

[gator996]

We're all for government control of these kids lives from infancy?

When did they become non-citizens?

Gotta love all of the freedom & liberty talk around here by "conservatives" when the issue is the poster's freedom or liberty...but taking it away "others" is just fine.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

We're all for government control of these kids lives from infancy?

When did they become non-citizens?

Gotta love all of the freedom & liberty talk around here by "conservatives" when the issue is the poster's freedom or liberty...but taking it away "others" is just fine.

Uh, we are talking about the welfare of children. Lets see, child abuse vs. having a shot at life by possibly having parents that will care for them, love them, and give them what they need. Turning our back on the kids and subsidizing the mothers behavior accomplishes nothing. How could she even afford to feed those kids?

[g8orbill]

you cannot legislate morality- these people are not raised properly( it is due to a total breakdown of the family unit and a lack of morals) to have self respect and to quit giving their bodies freely to every Tom Dick and Harry- you cannot force someone to be sterilized- I trace all of this back to taking prayer and God out of our educational system in the late 60's-then add into it the entitlements and how much maney has been wasted on the war on poverty and you have a welfare society who has no morals and no motivation to be anything other than a drain on society

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Uh, we are talking about the welfare of children. Lets see, child abuse vs. having a shot at life by possibly having parents that will care for them, love them, and give them what they need. Turning our back on the kids and subsidizing the mothers behavior accomplishes nothing. How could she even afford to feed those kids?

So the poor and disadvantaged are not worthy of the same rights as you?

You know that their mother doesn't love them?

Interesting...

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

So the poor and disadvantaged are not worthy of the same rights as you?

You know that their mother doesn't love them?

Interesting...

I never said she didn't, did I? You infered that so that takes care of that.
Can she support those kids? That is the first thing that needs to be looked at.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by HALLGATOR

That's always the conundrum in these situations. Even if they are taken away from her, as was suggested by others, is there any guarantee there are people who will adopt them.

It's obviously the government's responsibility, since somebody has to be (according to her). So let the government worry about that. That's what it's here for.

[WESGATORS]

The dynamic is simple, but I don't understand why people in our society are afraid of it:

The more government assistance you require, the less freedom you should be permitted
The less government assistance you require, the more freedom you should be permitted
At any time, an individual should be free to move towards more freedom and less government assistance.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[G8trGr8t]

Originally Posted by gator996

So the poor and disadvantaged are not worthy of the same rights as you?

You know that their mother doesn't love them?

Interesting...

If she loved them she would assume responsibility for them. She loves the money they get her..totally unfit to be a parent

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

It's obviously the government's responsibility, since somebody has to be (according to her). So let the government worry about that. That's what it's here for.

They key here would be "according to her." I think we can all agree that making good decisions is not her strong suit.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

The dynamic is simple, but I don't understand why people in our society are afraid of it:

The more government assistance you require, the less freedom you should be permitted
The less government assistance you require, the more freedom you should be permitted
At any time, an individual should be free to move towards more freedom and less government assistance.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Never heard it expressed quite that way, WES.

TOTALLY AGREE with the concept, worry about who decides these things, and how the standards and requirements would be set.

However . . . it makes total sense on how to connect freedom with personal responsibility.

Say (pick a number), 3 children and family on assistance, no male assistance in household = no more children. (Government takes measures to insure that result). Makes me take a big New York gulp, but at least, it is an idea.

[wargunfan]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Pretty horrible at every level: Her, the money we pay ... But the worst is what will happen to her kids. It's a lot harder to survive a childhood like that with all your morals, self-esteem, work ethic ... in place.

Fifteen new Democrat voters. Congratulations.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

Fifteen new Democrat voters. Congratulations.

Lets not forget the offspring's offspring and hence, the Ole pyramid scheme

[wargunfan]

If you went back and looked at the environment this woman came out of you would find another single mother with too many kids and all on welfare. This is a self perpetuating nightmare with the government as the primary enabler. Congratulations to LBJ and the Great Society war on poverty. This is what you get when bleeding heart liberals are given a blank check.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

Fifteen new Democrat voters. Congratulations.

There you go. If there's a reasonable conversation going, make sure you piss on it. Congratulations.