Golson vs Driskel

[tommyuf21]

No discernible difference between the two. Gholson got some garbage yards after the outcome was decided. He also had better receivers who made some good catches.

You can dog Driskel in comparisons with McCarron and others, but not Gholson.

[gatorteacher]

This organization has not had a great offense since 2008 with Tebow, Murphy, Harvin, and ESPECIALLY Dan Mullen. That was the last time the Gators rocked on offense. Addazio was not a good choice for OC but he did it for 2 years - That alone set UF football back 5 years. Then UF had a year of Weis and a year of Pease.
You probably have never done it, but it is quite difficult to deal with turnover like that 2 years in a row. The verbage changes, the philosophy changes, the nuances of the leader change. Next, the OL and WRs were not top 10 material this year. How many of our linemen are being discussed as likely first or second round draft picks? How many of our WRs have not performed to the level of expectation at HS level.
Last year this team was 6-6 with a bowl victory for a 7-6 record. I do not think the Gators beat a single ranked team. This year, the Gators went 3-2 or 4-2 versus ranked opponents. They finished 11-2, and will be even better next year. Matt Jones is a true beast and will help the team out.
Does Driskel need to improve? Yes, but I bet if we watched your every performance we could pick your work apart also. That said, Driskel WAS NOT playing defense in the Sugar Bowl and Bridgewater ate the Gator D up in the first half. The Gators are tooooooo heavily penalized to be a pro style team. The coaches need to get some discipline brought to bear on that. So, before we go throwing Driskel under the bus, let's remember what coach the Gators played in the Sugar Bowl.
Charlie Strong knows Gator football. He is an awesome coach, has the inside line on players out of Miami, and he knows DEFENSE. Remember the 2006 and 2008 championship games -- 41-14 and 24-14 against top ranked offenses. The Gators made the buckeyes and sooners look very pedestrian. And Strong had a lot to do with that.
So, I will give Driskel the benefit of the doubt. If your RBs can rush for a combine 250 yards, then your QB can pass lights out. Get the running game going and then, we will see what happens - that is the idea of Muschamp football.

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by njgator11

I hate to say it but there is no comparison. It really depresses me to see almost every major program having a qb that is so far superior to ours. Team after team have qb's that can scan the field, anticipate the blitz, throw on the run, etc, etc. Think about next years top 10 (I assume we will be in it), who will have the biggest question mark at qb...no question but the Gators. Alabama, UGA, Oregon, OSU, Texas A&M, Louisville, Stamford, Notre Dame, South Carolina and Florida. The only thing holding us back is having a qb that can make the necessary reads to put our offense in a position to win and get our playmakers the ball. This is my biggest concern for next year and the more I see other qb's the more upsetting it becomes.

My opinion here is well known regarding this topic. I won't repeat it.

[rounds]

Jeff just needs to brush up on his field-vision and pocket presence a tad this winter.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by gatorteacher

This organization has not had a great offense since 2008 with Tebow, Murphy, Harvin, and ESPECIALLY Dan Mullen. That was the last time the Gators rocked on offense. Addazio was not a good choice for OC but he did it for 2 years - That alone set UF football back 5 years. Then UF had a year of Weis and a year of Pease.

You probably have never done it, but it is quite difficult to deal with turnover like that 2 years in a row. The verbage changes, the philosophy changes, the nuances of the leader change. Next, the OL and WRs were not top 10 material this year. How many of our linemen are being discussed as likely first or second round draft picks? How many of our WRs have not performed to the level of expectation at HS level.

Last year this team was 6-6 with a bowl victory for a 7-6 record. I do not think the Gators beat a single ranked team. This year, the Gators went 3-2 or 4-2 versus ranked opponents. They finished 11-2, and will be even better next year. Matt Jones is a true beast and will help the team out.

Does Driskel need to improve? Yes, but I bet if we watched your every performance we could pick your work apart also. That said, Driskel WAS NOT playing defense in the Sugar Bowl and Bridgewater ate the Gator D up in the first half. The Gators are tooooooo heavily penalized to be a pro style team. The coaches need to get some discipline brought to bear on that. So, before we go throwing Driskel under the bus, let's remember what coach the Gators played in the Sugar Bowl.

Charlie Strong knows Gator football. He is an awesome coach, has the inside line on players out of Miami, and he knows DEFENSE. Remember the 2006 and 2008 championship games -- 41-14 and 24-14 against top ranked offenses. The Gators made the buckeyes and sooners look very pedestrian. And Strong had a lot to do with that.

So, I will give Driskel the benefit of the doubt. If your RBs can rush for a combine 250 yards, then your QB can pass lights out. Get the running game going and then, we will see what happens - that is the idea of Muschamp football.

This is a sound post..... For a teacher. j/k

[CAGator93]

Golson looked about as good tonight as Driskel did against the Tide last year

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by gatorteacher

This organization has not had a great offense since 2008 with Tebow, Murphy, Harvin, and ESPECIALLY Dan Mullen. That was the last time the Gators rocked on offense. Addazio was not a good choice for OC but he did it for 2 years - That alone set UF football back 5 years. Then UF had a year of Weis and a year of Pease.
You probably have never done it, but it is quite difficult to deal with turnover like that 2 years in a row. The verbage changes, the philosophy changes, the nuances of the leader change. Next, the OL and WRs were not top 10 material this year. How many of our linemen are being discussed as likely first or second round draft picks? How many of our WRs have not performed to the level of expectation at HS level.
Last year this team was 6-6 with a bowl victory for a 7-6 record. I do not think the Gators beat a single ranked team. This year, the Gators went 3-2 or 4-2 versus ranked opponents. They finished 11-2, and will be even better next year. Matt Jones is a true beast and will help the team out.
Does Driskel need to improve? Yes, but I bet if we watched your every performance we could pick your work apart also. That said, Driskel WAS NOT playing defense in the Sugar Bowl and Bridgewater ate the Gator D up in the first half. The Gators are tooooooo heavily penalized to be a pro style team. The coaches need to get some discipline brought to bear on that. So, before we go throwing Driskel under the bus, let's remember what coach the Gators played in the Sugar Bowl.
Charlie Strong knows Gator football. He is an awesome coach, has the inside line on players out of Miami, and he knows DEFENSE. Remember the 2006 and 2008 championship games -- 41-14 and 24-14 against top ranked offenses. The Gators made the buckeyes and sooners look very pedestrian. And Strong had a lot to do with that.
So, I will give Driskel the benefit of the doubt. If your RBs can rush for a combine 250 yards, then your QB can pass lights out. Get the running game going and then, we will see what happens - that is the idea of Muschamp football.

Bama got a new OC the same year we got Pease. In fact Bama wanted Pease.

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Bama got a new OC the same year we got Pease. In fact Bama wanted Pease.

Bama had just won their second title in three years when we got Pease. We narrowly avoided our first losing season in 30 years.

Big difference folks.

[gatorteacher]

By the way, Gholson converted ONE 3rd down in the first half. He is lucky the Tide did not score one more in the first half.
His coach, the commentators, and most people could see that he was deer in headlights shell shocked in the first half while the game was still a game.
DRIVE ONE
Notre Dame immediately starts with four wide and gets eight yards on a first-down pass to T.J. Jones. QB Everett Golson goes 0/2 on next 2. First drive 1/3 8 yards result 3 and out. Irish down 7-0.
DRIVE TWO
Golson 1/3 8 yards. 2 rushes 1 for 5 yards; 1 for -5 yards. Drive 2 = 5 plays and a punt with the Irish down 14-0.
DRIVE THREE
1st down completes a pass for 31 yards. 1st down Golson overthrows his target by 5 yards. 2nd down RB run for 0 yards. 3rd down Golson scrambles for 5 yards. Drive 3 = 4 plays 36 yards. ND goes for it on 4th down and Golson's pass is knocked down by the Tide DB. Golson goes 1/3 for 31 yards.

Golson in his first 3 drives has completed NOTHING on 3rd down and 0/1 on 4th down. And his stats through 3drives 3/9 for 47 yards 1 rush for 5 yards, and one first down but NO 3rd down conversions.

Now, how is this even a QB you say is so great. What did he do? He overthrew receivers, threw wide. In fact, before he led ND to its first TD he had thrown for an INT, and the Tide was already winning 35-0 with with 4:08 left in the 3rd quarter when he FINALLY got the Irish on the board.
35-0 is a hole I would rather not see my QB have to dig himself out of. 42-14 is a final I would rather not see my great QB have. Even if he passed for 250 trash yards after the game was already over.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by gatorteacher

By the way, Gholson converted ONE 3rd down in the first half. He is lucky the Tide did not score one more in the first half.
His coach, the commentators, and most people could see that he was deer in headlights shell shocked in the first half while the game was still a game.
DRIVE ONE
Notre Dame immediately starts with four wide and gets eight yards on a first-down pass to T.J. Jones. QB Everett Golson goes 0/2 on next 2. First drive 1/3 8 yards result 3 and out. Irish down 7-0.
DRIVE TWO
Golson 1/3 8 yards. 2 rushes 1 for 5 yards; 1 for -5 yards. Drive 2 = 5 plays and a punt with the Irish down 14-0.
DRIVE THREE
1st down completes a pass for 31 yards. 1st down Golson overthrows his target by 5 yards. 2nd down RB run for 0 yards. 3rd down Golson scrambles for 5 yards. Drive 3 = 4 plays 36 yards. ND goes for it on 4th down and Golson's pass is knocked down by the Tide DB. Golson goes 1/3 for 31 yards.

Golson in his first 3 drives has completed NOTHING on 3rd down and 0/1 on 4th down. And his stats through 3drives 3/9 for 47 yards 1 rush for 5 yards, and one first down but NO 3rd down conversions.

Now, how is this even a QB you say is so great. What did he do? He overthrew receivers, threw wide. In fact, before he led ND to its first TD he had thrown for an INT, and the Tide was already winning 35-0 with with 4:08 left in the 3rd quarter when he FINALLY got the Irish on the board.
35-0 is a hole I would rather not see my QB have to dig himself out of. 42-14 is a final I would rather not see my great QB have. Even if he passed for 250 trash yards after the game was already over.

I don't think anyone is saying he is great. He didn't play well, but his bowl performance was much, much, much, better than Driskels. Not even close. We should have much higher expectations for Jeff. He has all the talent. Both guys can learn and improve as this season is over.

[gatorteacher]

Bama got a new OC the same year we got Pease. In fact Bama wanted Pease.

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas...#ixzz2HMUe2aWM

Yes, this is true. However, the Gators had had 3 consecutive years with different OCs. The last OC to coach more than one year was Adazzio and NOBODY thinks that was a good fit. As I said, the last consistently good OC was Mullen. Give Driskel another year in the system, give our OL and RBs another year, and I believe the results will be different.

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

I don't think anyone is saying he is great. He didn't play well, but his bowl performance was much, much, much, better than Driskels. Not even close. We should have much higher expectations for Jeff. He has all the talent. Both guys can learn and improve as this season is over.

Gholston was the quarterback of a totally outmatched team. He didn't do much to distinguish himself. He certainly could not carry them, that's for sure.

Driskel was a quarterback of a team that was mentally shut down and played like crap throughout.

About the only thing you can say is that Bama would have crushed both teams regardless of who was the QB, based on how they played their bowl game or in ND's case, their absolute lack of athleticism.

[gatorteacher]

I don't think anyone is saying he is great. He didn't play well, but his bowl performance was much, much, much, better than Driskels. Not even close. We should have much higher expectations for Jeff. He has all the talent. Both guys can learn and improve as this season is over.

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas...#ixzz2HMVbt2VH

Matthanuf: Are you kidding me? Look at those stats when the game was a game again and tell me that he did much better (not even much, much, much better) and I will see words coming from someone that just doesn't want to admit that Golson stunk up Miami as badly if not worse than Driskel. Your comments in light of Golson's performance when the GAME MATTERED are totally RIDICULOUS.

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by gatorteacher

I don't think anyone is saying he is great. He didn't play well, but his bowl performance was much, much, much, better than Driskels. Not even close. We should have much higher expectations for Jeff. He has all the talent. Both guys can learn and improve as this season is over.

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas...#ixzz2HMVbt2VH

Matthanuf: Are you kidding me? Look at those stats when the game was a game again and tell me that he did much better (not even much, much, much better) and I will see words coming from someone that just doesn't want to admit that Golson stunk up Miami as badly if not worse than Driskel. Your comments in light of Golson's performance when the GAME MATTERED are totally RIDICULOUS.

While he protests to the contrary, I think he has issues with Jeff.

I don't think Driskel will ever be an all SEC player, but if our team is improved around him, we can win a league title before he graduates.

Sadly, Driskel was hyped to be another Tebow. He has fallen short of this hype. #bigsuprise

[Jonas]

------------C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
E. Golson 21/36 270 7.5 1 1
J. Driskel 16/29 175 6.0 1 2

I'd def say Golson played better, but they both played pretty bad/average. Not sure what you mean by "when the game mattered" though? I'm assuming like the first half/quarter, but Driskel played pretty bad then too. His numbers are inflated by the last drive of the Sugar Bowl when Louisville went prevent.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by tommyuf21

While he protests to the contrary, I think he has issues with Jeff.

I don't think Driskel will ever be an all SEC player, but if our team is improved around him, we can win a league title before he graduates.

Sadly, Driskel was hyped to be another Tebow. He has fallen short of this hype. #bigsuprise

he won more games in his first year than Tebow

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

he won more games in his first year than Tebow

What does that have to do with how he performed?

Tebow threw more TD's and amassed more yards in four games than Driskel did for the entire season.

I'm more concerned about wins, but most of our fan base is much more impressed with beatdowns and style points.

[RayGator]

Originally Posted by CAGator93

Golson played well? Okay

That's who I thought he meant also. So the spelling was changed from Gholson to Golson in the thread title.

[Jonas]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

he won more games in his first year than Tebow

Do you honestly think that matters? Tebow won a Heisman that year. If 2007 Tebow had this defense, we'd be in the NC.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by tommyuf21

What does that have to do with how he performed?

Tebow threw more TD's and amassed more yards in four games than Driskel did for the entire season.

I'm more concerned about wins, but most of our fan base is much more impressed with beatdowns and style points.

Tebow had better players around him