PP does more abortions than ever in FY 2012

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gs_gator

many uncomfortable truths surround histories great institutions buts thats no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.

I don't know, man. In the case of Planned Parenthood, it wouldn't be such a bad idea. It's founding and support over the years has been pretty despicable. It's not like the history I mentioned is totally unknown, either. It's just covered up and ignored by its proponents. It's an inconvenient truth they'd rather not have mentioned.

like most things, the idea evolved a bit...

historical nastiness aside...they provide a needed service today.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gs_gator

like most things, the idea evolved a bit...

historical nastiness aside...they provide a needed service today.

What's it truly motivated by, though? I'm talking about the provision of the service here. What is Planned Parenthood's true agenda? We know what it's agenda was at its founding. What about now? Is there any reason to believe the agenda changed? Any chance the idea is to still provide society with a way to dispose of poor, undesirable people, and limit their reproduction?

Be honest, would you continue supporting and defending Planned Parenthood if you knew that this is what their agenda truly is? Does the end justify the means?

black and white answer in all honesty, yes...

we can discuss the grey if you would like...

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gs_gator

black and white answer in all honesty, yes...

we can discuss the grey if you would like...

Can you not see how wrong that is? Poor people in America are largely poor because of the system in place. The monetary system, the legal system, the education system - all of it has been developed to keep the poor people poor and the rich people rich. It's a system based on control. The poor aren't responsible for creating this system. They weren't asked. They didn't have a choice. They were born into it.

Planned Parenthood isn't a rational or moral solution to this problem. The real solution is advocating to change the system as it currently functions.

Can you not see how wrong that is? Poor people in America are largely poor because of the system in place. The monetary system, the legal system, the education system - all of it has been developed to keep the poor people poor and the rich people rich. It's a system based on control. The poor aren't responsible for creating this system. They weren't asked. They didn't have a choice. They were born into it.

i can certainly see how wrong it is but the world where my life is to be lived has never been a moral or rational one, at least not during the era of man.

so it is up to me to make the most of that world, on the best terms that i can create for myself under the rules imposed by either choice or force.

if population control falls on the backs of the poor...thats just the way it is.

[bluelang]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

Two out of every five pregnancies of black women are terminated by abortion. If that number goes to three of five the race will disappear. I wonder how blacks feel about those numbers?

That number is not accurate. It's based on some data from NYC from a few years ago.

Anyways, ignoring the weird assertion that only America has black people, 3/5 would still sustain the "race," depending on the number of pregnancies per woman and the number of fathers.

PSA, no charge. (There are black people in other places)

[Spurffelbow833]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

Better get settled on that "probably" part before you hang your eternal soul on being a proponent of the murder of innocents.

I love how the "murder of innocents" is so cleanly divided between liberals who don't care about unborn babies getting ripped out of wombs and conservatives who don't care about old men, women, and children getting massacred in countries we had no business invading.

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

not sure where you get that- but killing unborn kids is tantamount to murder in my eyes

From the right's total lack of concern about life AFTER birth.

[g8orbill]

pure bs shab