The Gunshow 'Loophole'

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Are stolen or black market computers used to commit violent crimes? If so, maybe they should be.

So wouldn't background checks solve the same problem without the added intrusion?

Also I didn't realize homes and cars were sold on the black market to commit violent crimes

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

So wouldn't background checks solve the same problem without the added intrusion?

I'm not sure how that's less intrusive in a private sale, person to person. But realistically, tracking sales of guns is much more effective tool for policing crime than pre-screening potential owners. But registration and databases are anathema to paranoid types. Nevermind that they have a very useful function that doesnt include seizing guns.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

So wouldn't background checks solve the same problem without the added intrusion?

Also I didn't realize homes and cars were sold on the black market to commit violent crimes

But there are other serious crimes commited. Deed/Title fraud with homes (and cars too), liability to others and theft with vehicles. Registration and tracking sales makes these easier to police, and strengthens property rights.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Didn't think you could provide one. Just more knee jerk reaction to the ultimate goal of disarming the citizenry

I didn't think you were asking a serious question
I thought you were making a thinly veiled partisan statement born of paranoia

...my bad

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Right, followed by you having nothing to say. Liberal will never stop with more more control legislation ever. It will just keep going and going until the ultimate goal is reached. You know it and thats why your stumped for words. Lets just call it like it is and be honest with ourselves.

Then they will bitch and moan until they have another one of our freedoms taken away from us.

[PIMking]

Just a curiosity, how many kids were killed this year by Planned Parenthood? I think our priorities are in the wrong place

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Just a curiosity, how many kids were killed this year by Planned Parenthood? I think our priorities are in the wrong place

Well, we know at least one thing conservatives want to ban or heavily restrict!

[gator996]

Should we register births?

Will the state then "confiscate" you?

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by gator996

Should we register births?

Will the state then "confiscate" you?

Actually we shouldn't do that either.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

But there are other serious crimes commited. Deed/Title fraud with homes (and cars too), liability to others and theft with vehicles. Registration and tracking sales makes these easier to police, and strengthens property rights.

Again, no different than any other item. Why does registering a car deter theft of a car but not for computers? Or iPads? Or whatever else.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

Actually we shouldn't do that either.

But then how would we know if Obama was born in the USA or not?

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

Again, no different than any other item. Why does registering a car deter theft of a car but not for computers? Or iPads? Or whatever else.

Well plenty of people do register those types of property too to protect against theft. Perhaps not with governments, but with the seller, service provider or insurance company that is accepting limited or contractual liability, warranty or indemnity. Given that guns have the sole pupose of killing or injuring others, and that many crimes are commited with illegal/stolen weapons, you can see how there might be some special interest in guns that doesnt exist for computers or Playstations.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Well plenty of people do register those types of property too to protect against theft. Perhaps not with governments, but with the seller, service provider or insurance company that is accepting limited or contractual liability, warranty or indemnity. Given that guns have the sole pupose of killing or injuring others, and that many crimes are commited with illegal/stolen weapons, you can see how there might be some special interest in guns that doesnt exist for computers or Playstations.

And registering privately is a choice. I have nothing against that.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Given that guns have the sole pupose of killing or injuring others, and that many crimes are commited with illegal/stolen weapons, you can see how there might be some special interest in guns that doesnt exist for computers or Playstations.

Well, not entirely. A lot of us like to shoot skeet, target practice at the range and hunt. Not many of us use our weapons to kill or injure other people. Most of us hope that if we ever have to pull our weapon in self defense, the mere presence of the gun will discourage the criminal with the bad intent.

And if a gun is bought new, it is registered with the BATF with the name and address of the buyer. In any case, most of us keep up with serial numbers when we buy a gun, new or used. So if it is stolen, then we can turn over that number to the authorities.

So, set up another straw man, please.

[gator996]

So you agree with the principle already huh?
It shouldn't be a choice...

Registration, being able to track ownership, and the life of a gun should be law.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Well, not entirely. A lot of us like to shoot skeet, target practice at the range and hunt. Not many of us use our weapons to kill or injure other people. Most of us hope that if we ever have to pull our weapon in self defense, the mere presence of the gun will discourage the criminal with the bad intent.

And if a gun is bought new, it is registered with the BATF with the name and address of the buyer. In any case, most of us keep up with serial numbers when we buy a gun, new or used. So if it is stolen, then we can turn over that number to the authorities.

So, set up another straw man, please.

Maybe I should have said "things" instead of others (which I assume you only interpreted as being people).

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

I didn't think you were asking a serious question
I thought you were making a thinly veiled partisan statement born of paranoia

...my bad

You call it paranoia (which is code for you're figured out), I call it putting people like you in check with reality.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

You call it paranoia (which is code for you're figured out), I call it putting people like you in check with reality.

You mean to tell me there's some reality in your confiscation fantasy?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

You mean to tell me there's some reality in your confiscation fantasy?

Yes, its called not being fooled by you control folks who are actually the least educated on the topic. I loved your post with the silencers. That was classic
By the way, your mandatory registration thing isn't happening because people won't do it. Whats next, kicking down doors?

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Yes, its called not being fooled by you control folks who are actually the least educated on the topic. I loved your post with the silencers. That was classic
By the way, your mandatory registration thing isn't happening because people won't do it. Whats next, kicking down doors?

No, but if you don't register your gun by a certain date you'll be hit with a gun charge after that date if you can't produce a registration for the gun if you come in contact with a police officer.

If your gun is "stolen" and you haven't registered it and it ends up being used in a crime then you'll be charged with gun negligence...put a nice stiff penalty for that.

You can either register the gun or become another non-law abiding gun owner.