Civil War In The US?

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by Burke

But people are learning that we really aren't a democracy and that the same govt that demands our obedience is in no way obedient to the Constitution.

Future Americans will know we were never a democracy. They will know it was all just an elaborate media and public education-generated hoax. The American people can't be allowed to know that now, while they still have the arms and limited freedom to rebel, but they will be allowed to know that after the full spectrum surveillance control grid is in place, when they've been disarmed and have no chance at successfully rebelling.

Sometime between now and then, the gloves are going to come off and truth will be revealed for all to see. It will be common knowledge that we were always a plutocracy, with a government that practiced nothing but oligarchical collectivism.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

But an alien invasion would bring this country together. Aren't you people constantly wringing your hands about how we're so divided, as if that were a bad thing ?

The idea of an alien invasion to consolidate government control goes way back to early last century.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

By definition the left wants big government. And by definition that means control.

See what I mean? And who's definition - yours?

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

By definition the left wants big government. And by definition that means control.

That's the absurdity of it. You can say how the left wants to control your lives, so you just go by that kind of stuff.

[philnotfil]

We are too intermixed geographically to have a meaningful civil war. We could end up with a bunch of people killing each other, but it won't be any kind of civil war with two or three or five sides fighting each other. What do Gainesville and Belle Glade really have in common? What about Tallahassee and Miami? Why would Texas and Alabama work together against Wyoming and West Virginia? Where would the lines be drawn?


Has anyone else read Effinger's "All The Last Wars At Once"?

Found a pdf, but it loads really slow- iadicicco.com(pdf)

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

See that's the essentially problem with you guys. Your whole ethos is based on the idea that the "left" (or whoever) wants to take your guns and have the government control everything. You guys seem genuinly surprised when you meet resistance from actual people on the "left" to these notions you hold, but rather than mitigate your fears, its seems to further fuel the imagined conspiracy.

LOL, "imagined".

Just because you're uneducated on the subject doesn't mean it's all imagined by those who are.

Your resistance isn't genuine, it's static. It's misdirection. You don't actually believe you're fooling anyone, do you?

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

LOL, "imagined".

Just because you're uneducated on the subject doesn't mean it's all imagined by those who are.

Your resistance isn't genuine, it's static. It's misdirection. You don't actually believe you're fooling anyone, do you?

I'm not the one who has any vested interest in imagining a heaven or hell on earth. You are. To you anything bad that happens or conflicts with your POV is something standing in the way of freedom and thereby enslaving humanity. So, yes my clashing with you must be misdirection or farce from where you sit.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

See what I mean? And who's definition - yours?

Not mine. Are you for big government? High taxes? High spending? Entitlements? Patriot Act? NDAA? All big government and all results in control over its citizens. I'm not making these things up.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by rivergator

That's the absurdity of it. You can say how the left wants to control your lives, so you just go by that kind of stuff.

I just go by that kind of stuff? What does that mean? It's clear the US government has been pushing for, enacting, legislating, executive ordering items that increase the size of government and its control over its citizens. I'm not blaming just Obama. Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc all were doing the same.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

Not mine. Are you for big government? High taxes? High spending? Entitlements? Patriot Act? NDAA? All big government and all results in control over its citizens. I'm not making these things up.

Apparently, he voted for Obama again.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

I'm not the one who has any vested interest in imagining a heaven or hell on earth. You are. To you anything bad that happens or conflicts with your POV is something standing in the way of freedom and thereby enslaving humanity. So, yes my clashing with you must be misdirection or farce from where you sit.

You went from not making any sense about aliens triggering a civil war to not making any sense about, wait, what? Heaven or hell?

Dude, where do you come up with this crap?

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

Not mine. Are you for big government? High taxes? High spending? Entitlements? Patriot Act? NDAA? All big government and all results in control over its citizens. I'm not making these things up.

Well, you are defining "big government" as a binary position that just so happens to be against your prefered policy outcomes i.e "small goverment." That's probably fairly convenient for you.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

You went from not making any sense about aliens triggering a civil war to not making any sense about, wait, what? Heaven or hell?

Dude, where do you come up with this crap?

Well, at the very least, I guess now you understand how I feel when I encounter your posts.

[ChartsandGrafs]

I'm sensing a Saul Alinsky/Rules for Radicals vibe in this thread.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Well, you are defining "big government" as a binary position that just so happens to be against your prefered policy outcomes i.e "small goverment." That's probably fairly convenient for you.

No I'm not. Clearly it's a scale. I even mentioned that its a remote possibility that the govt took enough control to forcibly remove guns in a militaristic state to cause an internal war. So clearly I think govt could get bigger. It's not binary.

But I don't see how you can see the size and scope of our govt and not conclude that it is huge. Sure it can get bigger, so what?

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

I'm sensing a Saul Alinsky/Rules for Radicals vibe in this thread.

Why would I need that when, I'm just the hopeless defender of the status quo, right? Sounds like you should be reading it, because you probably never have. Because not only do you have horrible ideas, you have no understanding of how to achieve them.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Why would I need that when, I'm just the hopeless defender of the status quo, right? Sounds like you should be reading it, because you probably never have. Because not only do you have horrible ideas, you have no understanding of how to achieve them.

You're right. Please teach me in the ways of government worship. I desire to be a closet communist like you.

How do I achieve this goal?

[Juggernautz]

Well since we have already had a civil war between the South & the North, the next one should be between the East & the West.

[Dreamliner]

Reminds me of the old North-South college all-star game. Really stuck in my craw that it was pretty much the Deep South against virtually the rest of the country.

[Dreamliner]

Just a reminder: our Civil War wasn't actually a civil war. Our Revolutionary War was.