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PIMking · 01-07-2013, 11:21 AM

if they were so concerned about debt they wouldn't haved shoved all that pork into the Sandy bill.

Matthanuf06 · 01-07-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fredsanford

Liberals are the only people truly concerned about the debt. Conservatives concerns fade after Election Day.

I couldn't care less about the end of the tax holiday. It never should have happened at all.

SS should never be a bargaining chip.

There is no lockbox, so a decrease of the payroll tax impacts SS the same as a reduction of any other revenue source.

There needs to be a lockbox that is professionally managed. In that case you'd have a point, but then again, in that case the tax could decrease 5+% for both the worker and the company and we'd have equivalent retirement benefits. Wouldn't it be nice to get 10% more per paycheck and still get the same retirement?

**g8orbill** · 01-07-2013, 11:59 AM

so shab-since you seem to think only libs are worried about the deb5t- what would you do about it

fredsanford · 01-07-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by g8orbill

so shab-since you seem to think only libs are worried about the deb5t- what would you do about it

I've said this on here many times:

3 or 4 more progressive tax brackets
Tax cap gains as income
Bring home troops/close foreign bases
Cut defense
End corporate welfare

Dreamliner · 01-07-2013, 01:17 PM

Nothing matters to some voters. They've cultivated such a quasi-spiritual devotion, to a man or party, that everything will be either dismissed or blamed on the man or party they've cultivated a hatred for.

Now, swing-voters may well be disillusioned with Obama about now, but I have little sympathy for them. How could they have not known ?

**CharlestonGator** · 01-07-2013, 03:44 PM

Nice to know there are facts to dispute this ....almost 16.5 trillion of them.
Libbies had complete control for two years... and have had control of the WH and Senate for the remainder. Debt has risen to all-time level under libbie control (and will continue to rise)...but you already knew that....

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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Originally Posted by fredsanford

Liberals are the only people truly concerned about the debt.

mocgator · 01-07-2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fredsanford

I've said this on here many times:

3 or 4 more progressive tax brackets
Tax cap gains as income
Bring home troops/close foreign bases
Cut defense
End corporate welfare

No cuts in out of control entitlement spending... interesting...

nlsfive · 01-07-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlestonGator

Nice to know there are facts to dispute this ....almost 16.5 trillion of them.
Libbies had complete control for two years... and have had control of the WH and Senate for the remainder. Debt has risen to all-time level under libbie control (and will continue to rise)...but you already knew that....

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Much of that 16.5 trillion was run up under republican administrations including years when republicans controlled both houses of congress as well.

**CharlestonGator** · 01-08-2013, 12:01 AM

Not as much as BOs who said he'd cut it in half by the end of his tenure.

BO's deficit in less than four years is more than GB had in eight years.

Granted, Bush stunk at spending.....yet, you will not admit the disgraceful spending under YOUR guy. Will he live up to his pledge to get it cut in half? You know the answer.....

People need to quit pulling for their teams and see the BS taking place in front of them. SPENDING is THE issue...no one can escape that fact.

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Originally Posted by nlsfive

Much of that 16.5 trillion was run up under republican administrations including years when republicans controlled both houses of congress as well.

**etennant** · 01-08-2013, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mocgator

No cuts in out of control entitlement spending... interesting...

He would be cutting his own check. Scratch that off the list.

**gatordowneast** · 01-08-2013, 07:46 AM

Problem is we have more and more people who honestly believe that government will solve their problems therefore it is government's responsibility. They've learned that from who? It will become more difficult to win these voters hearts and minds. How will you? By promising responsible spending? By promising budget cuts? These looters and mooches want free chit and will vote for those who promise it.