Where does the ND hate come from?

[LimeyGator]

Originally Posted by nastyreptile

You'll hate them soon enough if they beat Bama...

"If."

I don't see it. However I will tip my hat to them if they deserve it!

[cocodrilo]

Given how both ND and Bama are treated by the refs, this may be the first game in bowl history in with there are no penalties.

[BobK89]

Originally Posted by brimley

Simple. Join a conference already! Why does ND think their s*#t doesn't stink? Why should NBC reward them with their own station? A lot of power & money in that school & alums...hence, media fest. Just annoying.

You blame Notre Dame for NBC throwing buckets of money at them?

You blame the BCS for including ND in the process?

While I'm not a ND fan, I can't blame ND that everyone seems to go out of their way to get on their good side.

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[secgator]

Originally Posted by swampsupreme

So its safe to say most hate ND because the media hype. They dont actually hate ND just the medias love for them.

Same can be said for tebow.
People dont hate tim tebow the person.
They hate tim tebow because the media loves him.

"Media love" is an understatement to the nth degree--going back to the early ages of football. In recent years--past 20 or so--not quite as much, but still media hype is without doubt the main culprit.

I don't 'hate' ND as an institution or the players personally--just said 'screw em. Along with hoping they get beat like a drum by everyone they play.

It might help if they had a schedule which wasn't mid-tier every friggin year....the past several years ranked at 29, 30 or worse---just a few years ago ranked around 60th or so. Join a conference and that might help too, instead of just knowing they will be included in the BCS simply because they are...the Irish. THAT is arrogance and IS a result of the entitlement attitude they possess.

[mulegator]

Here's my take on the hate for N D ..

a few years back .. they would have three losses and still be in the A P top 10! I've seen that happen on more than one occasion. And then Miami would beat their asses .. putting up 50 points on them .. and you should have heard the whining and complaints from all over the country. Like you were spitting on Mary or something. There was way too much "special treatment" for N D during those years. After then they started sucking .. and continued to suck for years in a row and they no longer received as much special treatment from the national media. But for those of us who watched that sh!t play out for all those years it really gave us a bad taste for N D.

There was a parallel undervaluing of SEC teams by the national media during those hyped up years for N D.

So .. screw N D.

Here's Pat Forde's excellent take ..

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--...W9ucw--;_ylv=3

[Gatorrick22]

Media only, from point of view.

[born2beagator]

Originally Posted by swampsupreme

So its safe to say most hate ND because the media hype. They dont actually hate ND just the medias love for them.

Same can be said for tebow.
People dont hate tim tebow the person.
They hate tim tebow because the media loves him.

Nope. Their fans are OSU level arrogant too

[GunGator]

As someone who is Irish Catholic, I would say that it probably started out because of the hatred people have for Catholics.

Notre Dame was forced to stay independent at the start because the BIG 10 commissioner started a movement to keep them out of any conference.

I don't like Notre Dame because I hate the phony bull crap, the Leprechaun ready to fight, "Touchdown Jesus" is also insulting.

The arrogance and the media hype are probably the reason most people don't like them now. They have a horrible bowl record recently because they have been so over ranked that they face teams that are much better and get killed.

Plus, have you ever been to Indiana?

[magnafides]

Originally Posted by BobK89

You blame the BCS for including ND in the process?

ND has special BCS rules just for them, that's a bit more than just being "included in the process".

[Ncfishingator]

It's different for me. I'm Irish Catholic and from the South and always kind of liked them with a passing interest. I even went to the ND-Tenn. game several years ago in Knoxvegas and rooted for them (no way I was rooting for UToothless).

That all changed when I had the misfortune of moving in next door to a ND alum in Atlanta. Listening to him go on and on and on about SH$& that happened decades before he was born drove me nuts. It was like they were good or even relevant for the past 20 years.

The straw that broke the camel's back was watching ND-Mich. with him. He literally stopped each play, cried about every call, pointed out every "hold" in the trenches and jumped up and screamed with every incompletion.

Since that day I have always said FU!& Notre Dame.

In short, it's the obnoxious fans.

[ChartsandGrafs]

39-28.

That one still really bugs me.

From the glory of 14-9 to the disgrace of 39-28.

Thanks a lot, Jerome Bettis.

[KronoGator]

They think they are morally superior to other schools, that somehow their program is squeaky clean and always has been, when any fact comes out that shows this to be bull, the sports media ignores it, a simple Google search finds them to be as dirty as scUM.

I don't know if I hate them, but I sure do hate hypocrisy.

[magnafides]

Originally Posted by BobK89

You blame the BCS for including ND in the process?

ND has special BCS rules just for them, that's a bit more than just being "included in the process".

[mulegator]

Originally Posted by magnafides

ND has special BCS rules just for them, that's a bit more than just being "included in the process".

Correct amundo !

[mulegator]

For two schools that haven't played each other in 25 years, and have met just six times in history, there is a very active contempt between the powerhouses. And for a whole host of reasons that extend far beyond this particular matchup, the hate seems to flow with particular fervor from South to North.

Legendary Alabama coach Bear Bryant never beat Notre Dame. This is in part a reaction to Notre Dame's position of historical primacy, a position that rivals, if not exceeds, Alabama's. But that's not all. It's also a matter of sociology and hagiography. The roots go beyond mere football, extending to cultural and possibly even religious divides.

"There is a real defensiveness in the South in general, but Alabama in particular, about everything north of the Mason-Dixon Line," said Wayne Flynt, the founding editor of the Encylopedia of Alabama and professor emeritus of History at Auburn. "And that includes Notre Dame, which is a huge image of success in America.

"When you rank in the bottom five in the nation … in almost every quality-of-life category, and get hammered in the national media about how backward you are, you sort of get a 5,000-pound chip on your shoulder. We don't excel in almost any other category than college football – and we're kind of gangbusters in that.

"There's one team that vies for supremacy with Alabama in college football. That's Notre Dame, which is the ultimate example of ‘The Other,' to use a sociological term."

From the Southern viewpoint, here is why Notre Dame was "The Other": It was the media darling, the golden program, literally and figuratively. The Irish were the glamour boys with a far-flung fan base, a showcase of academic excellence coupled with football power. Alabama was the standard bearer for the downtrodden, undereducated, underappreciated South, striving to show that the region could look the rest of a disdainful nation in the eye and not blink.

Fighting Irish fans undoubtedly stoked the fires of Southern defensiveness with the popular T-shirt leading into this game: "Catholics vs. Cousins." The shirt is a derivative of the famous "Catholics vs. Convicts" T-shirt of 1988, which was Notre Dame's shot at the lawless Miami Hurricanes.

This one takes aim at the last semi-safe stereotype to lampoon in America: the ignorant white Southerner. The shirt includes the Jed Clampett-ish image of a classic Southern bumpkin, just the kind of guy who would marry his cousin, right? Get it?

They got it in Alabama. And failed to laugh. To many, it's just one more example of Notre Dame smugness and Northern contempt for the nation's poorest region.

"A lot of Southerners migrated to the North and have been the butt of jokes and putdowns, for their accents and other reasons," Flynt said. "A lot of them have adopted Alabama football, even if they're not from Alabama, because it kicks Yankee butt."

This T-shirt didn't inspire much goodwill in the South. Alabama memorably kicked Yankee butt when it beat Penn State and Joe Paterno in the 1979 Sugar Bowl to win the national title, the fifth of six championships claimed under program icon Bear Bryant. (There is some creative accounting that goes into 'Bama's 14 national titles.)

Bear kicked plenty of other non-Southern butts, walloping Ohio State, UCLA, Nebraska and Oklahoma in bowl games during his dominant Alabama tenure. But the one Yankee program he couldn't beat was the most glamorous of them all: Notre Dame.

Bryant was 0-4 against the Irish, including what almost certainly were the two most painful losses of his career in the 1973 Sugar Bowl and '75 Orange Bowl. The Sugar, which marked the first meeting of the two super powers, is considered one of the greatest games in college football history. The Orange was a major upset in Notre Dame coach Ara Parseghian's final game.

Total margin of defeat in the two games was three points. Both losses cost the Crimson Tide national titles.

"They were so close," Flynt said. "They did turn on a single play. A whole series of plum breaks went Notre Dame's way."

When the Irish later won two regular-season matchups by a total of 10 points, it was almost unbearable for some Alabama fans who worship Bryant in a way few (if any) fan bases revere a coach.

"Bear was the greatest coach at Alabama, and it was always a shock to me that he never could beat them," said Jeremy Pike, the avowed Notre Dame hater. "He probably couldn't stand that he never beat them."

The roots of Alabama anger toward Notre Dame actually predate the bowl losses, dating back to 1966. That was the year the Irish's perceived Favorite Son status with the media cost Bear another title.

In another of the sport's most famous games, Notre Dame tied Michigan State 10-10 that season, with Parseghian timidly playing to preserve the deadlock long before college football had overtime. The game was played Nov. 19, and Parseghian gambled that with his team ranked No. 1 and playing the No. 2 Spartans, they would not lose the top spot. After routing USC the next week, he was proved correct.

Notre Dame, despite the tie and not playing in a bowl game (that was the school's custom at the time), was voted No. 1 and the national champions. Michigan State finished No. 2. Meanwhile, 11-0 Alabama was frozen out and finished No. 3.

And the people were displeased. Many wondered whether the state's largely disgraceful resistance to civil rights at the time was held against the football team by the voters.

"The biggest thing was '66," said Pike, who said he was well-versed in 'Bama lore by his father. "I believe also in '66 Alabama had an all-white team, and that might have come into play, too.

"If we beat them this time, it would feel like a lot of revenge for those guys in '66, trying to get that championship back for them."

How much of Alabama's dislike of Notre Dame is post-mortem payback for the Bear and how much is a Southern inferiority complex is anyone's guess. But Flynt does not believe historic anti-Catholic feelings in Alabama and around the South are a factor.

In 1919, Alabama had a law on the books that allowed authorities to search convents without a warrant to make sure no one was being "involuntarily confined" there, according to the Birmingham News.

In 1921, a Catholic priest was shot to death outside his house in Birmingham. The accused killer was a protestant reverend who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, and he was acquitted by a jury that included several Klansmen. The reverend's legal expenses were paid for by the Klan, and his defense attorney was Hugo Black, who would go on to become a U.S. Supreme Court justice.

Black later reportedly joined the Klan, but renounced it before joining the Supreme Court and ultimately becoming one of its most liberal members.

Flynt, for one, dismisses any suggestion that Notre Dame's famed religious affiliation has anything to do with Alabama fans rooting against the Irish football team.

"There is historical anti-Catholicism in evangelical Christians," Flynt said. "I think that's a thing of the past. I don't think that matters anymore."


Yahoo's Pat Forde:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--...W9ucw--;_ylv=3

[JAG8R]

The real reason it is thought that people hate Notre Dame is that Notre Dame people want you to think that. They harp on it all the time. They use it as an excuse whenever they can't perform as well as the team (which is often - anyone know when they last won a national title in ANY sport, much less a major sport?) - saying so and so really got up for us, or the refs had it in for us. They also use it to impugn anyone that criticizes them in an attempt to refocus the debate to one about the mythical Notre Dame hate.

[fcajon]

In addition to the reasons stated above, it's always bugged me that they will maintain a conference affiliation in all sports EXCEPT the big money maker, football.

My dad was recently talking to a friend of his who played at Notre Dame, and they were discussing this very topic. After my father brought the conference affiliation point up, his buddy launched into a long dissertation about how for years the Big 10 blackballed Notre Dame, and wouldn't let them in, etc etc.

My dad then replied to his buddy, "That's all well and good, and it's great that now the Big East (soon to be ACC) has welcomed Notre Dame with open arms. So what about football? You guys aren't interested in sharing that dough?"

The Notre Dame alum didn't have a comeback for that. All of the media fawning aside, I think it violates a basic sense of fairness that every other conference splits up their bowl winnings and TV revenue, while Notre Dame has negotiated sweet heart deals that allow them to keep all the loot!

[CockyInSeattle]

I don't hate them. It's just that my opinion that they are not entitled to anything more than BYU makes their supporters think I hate them.

[rpmGator]

St. Patrick isn't even Irish. He is Welsh.