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InstiGATOR1 · 02-13-2013, 02:58 PM

ESPN has updated their list:

3. Randle
9. Hill
14. C. Walker

A bit of a drop for Walker.

Here is a link to their entire list:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/ba...s/_/order/true

**ThePlayer** · 02-13-2013, 03:03 PM

What is our realistic chance of landing Randle?

Is Kentucky getting ready to take over college basketball again?
I've never seen such a parade of top notch players going to one school before.

jcp · 02-13-2013, 03:06 PM

Kentucky is ridiculous.

UFG8rGuy3283 · 02-13-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlayer

What is our realistic chance of landing Randle?

Is Kentucky getting ready to take over college basketball again?
I've never seen such a parade of top notch players going to one school before.

I don't think Randle has any idea where he's going. People are saying its down to Texas and Kansas but UK is making a strong push if Wiggins goes to FSU...blah, blah, blah...won't be until late in the process per everyone I've talked to, fwiw.

I would guess we're behind at this.point, but never underestimate that Julius really enjoyed playing for Billy over the summer.

Completely random guess is Texas unless Barnes is canned. He idolizes Durant.

Brewski · 02-13-2013, 03:19 PM

Didn't UK have the number 1 class this year as well? Noel, Poythress, Goodwin and Cauley?

I'm not scared of the full 1 and dones anymore. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

InstiGATOR1 · 02-13-2013, 03:24 PM

My views on the first few topics raised are:

1. My guess is Randle is not going to UK. If there is anything to the don't getting along with the Harrison's talk, then this meltdown at PG for UK this year can not be encouraging to Randle. I guess I could see him going to any of UF, UK, and UTx. I have a harder time seeing him at OU with Kruger or NCSU but you never know.

2. I do not see UK as having a very good class for 2013. Right now they have Johnson at the 5, Lee at the 4 another reason Randle is not so likely there and a buch of 3s. I do not see a PG again and I am not sure there is a good perimeter shooter among the group. They signed people in the fall like they did not expect to get Parker, Randle or Wiggens. They did not get Parker and I am not sure what Gordon would add either.

UFG8rGuy3283 · 02-13-2013, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by InstiGATOR1

My views on the first few topics raised are:

1. My guess is Randle is not going to UK. If there is anything to the don't getting along with the Harrison's talk, then this meltdown at PG for UK this year can not be encouraging to Randle. I guess I could see him going to any of UF, UK, and UTx. I have a harder time seeing him at OU with Kruger or NCSU but you never know.

2. I do not see UK as having a very good class for 2013. Right now they have Johnson at the 5, Lee at the 4 another reason Randle is not so likely there and a buch of 3s. I do not see a PG again and I am not sure there is a good perimeter shooter among the group. They signed people in the fall like they did not expect to get Parker, Randle or Wiggens. They did not get Parker and I am not sure what Gordon would add either.

I would agree that I don't think he goes to UK in the end, but probably not because of the Harrisons. Randle indicated in December that if there was a PG he would like to play with it was Harrison, amazingly enough. I don't know. It's probably just my O&B glasses, but if there was any PG I would want to play with that was a freshman, it would be Hill. Add to it that Wilbekin is playing out of his mind this year and I would hope that bodes well for us. At this point, though, who the heck knows with that kid.

I think UK's class is shaping up to be a pretty good one. I certainly think they'll be athletic and talented. I agree that I"m not sure how the Harrisons transition to the college game but they have a few built in advantages by growing up playing together and being able to have familiar people on campus with them away from home. If UK lands Wiggins, they'll be tough to beat. That kid is pretty special.

g8rboy · 02-13-2013, 03:53 PM

They can take in all the "one and dones" they want, if they play with a "me first" attitude, they won't win titles

**ThePlayer** · 02-13-2013, 07:22 PM

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They can take in all the "one and dones" they want, if they play with a "me first" attitude, they won't win titles

Who do you see as our starting 5 next year to counter theirs?

Brewski · 02-13-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlayer

Who do you see as our starting 5 next year to counter theirs?

The same question could have been asked after the 2012 class: how could we have ever countered Noel, Poythress, Goodwin and Cauley? They have so much talent how can we compete???

Experience and coaching.

UFG8rGuy3283 · 02-13-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brewski

The same question could have been asked after the 2012 class: how could we have ever countered Noel, Poythress, Goodwin and Cauley? They have so much talent how can we compete???

Experience and coaching.

As excited as I am for next year, let's not get too confident. Next years UK class could be pretty special.

REM08 · 02-13-2013, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by InstiGATOR1

My views on the first few topics raised are:

1. My guess is Randle is not going to UK. If there is anything to the don't getting along with the Harrison's talk, then this meltdown at PG for UK this year can not be encouraging to Randle. I guess I could see him going to any of UF, UK, and UTx. I have a harder time seeing him at OU with Kruger or NCSU but you never know.

2. I do not see UK as having a very good class for 2013. Right now they have Johnson at the 5, Lee at the 4 another reason Randle is not so likely there and a buch of 3s. I do not see a PG again and I am not sure there is a good perimeter shooter among the group. They signed people in the fall like they did not expect to get Parker, Randle or Wiggens. They did not get Parker and I am not sure what Gordon would add either.

You've been consistent in your take about UK's class, I'll give you that. Time will tell about Andrew at the point, I'm pretty confident. The other two guards are certainly not just "3's" though. Both will be shooting guards in the NBA and can play either the 2 or 3 in college. No one in college basketball (that I can think of at least) will match UK's size next year. Also, all three guards are very good perimeter shooters.

The concerns some of you post about "one and dones" and "me first" attitudes are unfounded IMO. The one year Cal hasn't had significant success at UK was this year and it wasn't because of either issue. I think UK and Florida are the top 2 teams next year.

NoahBeanBizzel · 02-13-2013, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UFG8rGuy3283

As excited as I am for next year, let's not get too confident. Next years UK class could be pretty special.

I'm with you, but we'll have the toys to be even better than Kentucky. Harris and Finney-Smith are two excellent prospects, who will give us quality minutes, defense and size up front. Plus, we'll be adding Walker. Unless Young puts together a monster second half of the season, and just completely goes off in the tournament, I think he'll benefit from another year. He's a good athlete, who needs a bit more polish offensively. I think he-along with Prather-returns. Plus Yeguete. That's the best front court in basketball.

I'll be interested to see how good Hill is out of the gate. I'm not worried about the loss of Boynton at all. The rotation of Frazier, Hill and Wilbekin will be sick by this time of next year. What's the deal with Ogbueze?

We could legitimately rotate ten players by the time we get into the middle of the SEC schedule if Young decides to come back. Wow.

xenythx · 02-13-2013, 09:17 PM

I'm not too worried about Kentucky next year... unless they get Wiggins. Then I start getting a little nervous.

gatormoe1 · 02-13-2013, 09:20 PM

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You've been consistent in your take about UK's class, I'll give you that. Time will tell about Andrew at the point, I'm pretty confident. The other two guards are certainly not just "3's" though. Both will be shooting guards in the NBA and can play either the 2 or 3 in college. No one in college basketball (that I can think of at least) will match UK's size next year. Also, all three guards are very good perimeter shooters.

The concerns some of you post about "one and dones" and "me first" attitudes are unfounded IMO. The one year Cal hasn't had significant success at UK was this year and it wasn't because of either issue. I think UK and Florida are the top 2 teams next year.

Call has used this strategy throughout his coaching career and its only worked one single time.

REM08 · 02-13-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gatormoe1

Call has used this strategy throughout his coaching career and its only worked one single time.

False. For many reasons. His only strategy is getting the best players he can to play at his school. He's gotten better players at Kentucky and has been at UK 4 years. In 4 years he has 3 elite eights, 2 final fours and a national championship. Things "worked" more than just one year.

If your definition of "working" is a title (thats a poor definition by the way) then Cal's strategy has "worked" 25% of the time. What % of time has Donovan's strategy "worked"? By stating this, I'm only pointing out how your logic doesn't work and isn't an accurate way to determine success. I'm not trying to say Cal is better than Billy.

Cal will have up years and down years at Kentucky and there will be more of both.

gatormoe1 · 02-13-2013, 09:42 PM

Cal has tried this strategy every place he has gone. Don't act like Kentucky is the only place he has coached. If you're going to try to get all one and dones, push them out to reload, you better win more titles. He has one.

Matthanuf06 · 02-13-2013, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gatormoe1

Cal has tried this strategy every place he has gone. Don't act like Kentucky is the only place he has coached. If you're going to try to get all one and dones, push them out to reload, you better win more titles. He has one.

Why does his strategy require more titles than another strategy? That makes no sense to me.

REM08 · 02-13-2013, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gatormoe1

Cal has tried this strategy every place he has gone. Don't act like Kentucky is the only place he has coached. If you're going to try to get all one and dones, push them out to reload, you better win more titles. He has one.

I understand you don't like Cal. You don't need to. But please tell me you understand how its easier to have success and recruit better to certain schools? You with me?

Think Billy wins two titles at Eastern Kentucky U? You also don't seem to have noticed that the landscape of college basketball changes as you progress through the years. Recruiting rules and NBA early entry rules evolve. Cal has barely 4 years worth of pertinant data seeing as how his former schools were mid-majors. He didn't recruit as well or win as much when he was a middle school student either. But I don't see why that matters.

gatormoe1 · 02-13-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

Why does his strategy require more titles than another strategy? That makes no sense to me.

Why is it hard to figure out? If you're going to get the best of the best, push them out after a year just to get the next years best, you'd better be winning titles doing it.

Otherwise, you need to change up your strategy and get some "projects" that may be around for 3-4 years to provide leadership. If you notice, his only championship team had a good amount of leadership, even if the guys were subpar.