Hurricane Sandy Bill Loaded With Pork

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

We are "represented" by a bunch of leeches.

As I said in another thread, this is the essential function of government. Always was, and always has been. Government is nothing more than the mechanism by which a relatively small minority (usually the very rich, cunning, and ambitious) can live in perpetual, luxurious comfort at the legal expense of a much larger majority. This is how it has been all throughout the history of mankind. Behind absolutely every government, you'll find rich sociopaths who see their fellow man the same way a farmer sees his cows. We are nothing but mundanes, subjects, social security numbers, and livestock to the people who own and control governments.

A hundred years ago, people generally understood this. Even the uneducated knew it. They regarded government with scorn, the same way people today look at a neighborhood Mafia. Many others saw government as a "necessary evil", but most importantly, they correctly recognized government as evil. Government just "was" and there was nothing they could do about it. Most people simply tried to live their lives as independently and as far away from the long arm of the government as possible.

Nowadays, things are very much different. With the advent of mass government indoctrination and 24/7 propaganda saturation from the controlled, corporate media, most people have been brainwashed to believe that government is "good", or that government "represents" them, or that government "protects individual rights", or that democracy is some magical ideal to strive for. We're all taught this, but in reality it's nothing but the greatest, most widely perpetrated hoax in the history of mankind. There is no "democracy" and there certainly isn't any "freedom", either. The only democracy and freedom we have is the democracy and freedom to vote for who we're told to vote for and to do what we are told to do.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

So what should the Government be buying for the folks impacted by the hurricane ?

Is it straight giveaways, or loans to rebuild for the needy ?

If giveaways, why ?

Certainly very prudent questions. Having live right smack at the Jersey Shore, why carry insurance if FEMA comes to the rescue. Just a thought

[vangator1]

Pork? I ca't believe hat!

[wargunfan]

This is going to be a good test for the House. Let's see if Boehner and the gang will strip out all that pork from the second bill. If they do not it will reveal much about the Republicans. If a deporkified bill goes back to the Senate lets see what the pork masters in the Democrat party do the the bill to reporkify it. This exercise will tell us a lot about the character of our legislators. As if we didn't already know.

[G8trGr8t]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Certainly very prudent questions. Having live right smack at the Jersey Shore, why carry insurance if FEMA comes to the rescue. Just a thought

and this is why so many don't carry flood insurance, hurricane insurance, or even health insurance. no need to when you know you will get taken care of courtesy of debt piled on future generations even without the insurance. why bother being responsible? playing by the rules and sacrificing to insure that you are capable of taking care of yourself is for suckers and fools apparently

[oragator1]

Well there has to be pork, because the math doesn't add up.
The total estimates for storm damage are around $70 billion in NY and NJ (the massive lion's share of the damage), including what the gvt has already given in aid. When the estimates were at $50 billion, insurance was already covering $10-20 billion. So let's say insurance takes a $15 billion hit even though it's probably more, that means there is $55 billion left unaccounted for, and the two bills combined are over $60 billion. So even taking a liberal assumption approach, the government is paying every dime of the damage not covered by insurance.
I am all for helping those in need, but are we really expected to pay every dime of every storm for people who don't get wind, water or hurricane insurance in particular? It seems borderline comical to me.

[Swampmaster]

If I have storm damage of any kind in the future, why call my insurance agent. Just call DC and ask for "relief."

[rpmGator]

This has a lot to do with location. The Gulf states got funded and always do as the Pubs in those states fall all over themselves to back their own. Yet they don't want to fund the north, and its dem majority.


The North had a two seat majority of R's and now is behind by 24 seats. It is only the south, that R"s are in command. The disconnect hurts the party in national election.

The Senate candidate that has to run state wide, has more R's that are willing to work with the other side as they are not locked into a yahoo district that supports going back to the 19the century.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

Impossible... That 996 guy here says that 100% is headed to those in need... And he's never wrong. Just ask him.

I said that? (please show us where I stated that)


I posted days ago that the House bill stripped out the pork you and others were complaining about...

Good to see that no one here attempts to "bend" the truth to make a point


BTW - The point of my thread was the House GOP pulled the pork out of the bill, Boehner failed to bring a vote on the House bill, and republicans were blaming him for playing politics with funding the victims of the storm...

As of today, is any of that not true?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

I said that? (please show us where I stated that)


I posted days ago that the House bill stripped out the pork you and others were complaining about...

Good to see that no one here attempts to "bend" the truth to make a point


BTW - The point of my thread was the House GOP pulled the pork out of the bill, Boehner failed to bring a vote on the House bill, and republicans were blaming him for playing politics with funding the victims of the storm...

As of today, is any of that not true?

996, no matter how many times you want to claim the pork was stripped out of the bill it doesn't make it true. Perhaps by now you convinced yourself of it.
I produced the bill for you that was sent to the House and even gave you the page the pork was documented.

[rpmGator]

One thing for sure, they stripped the help the coast needed, and used pork as a reason not to help.

Shame on the true pork, shame on you for not seeing the big picture of those who lost homes in that storm.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by rpmGator

One thing for sure, they stripped the help the coast needed, and used pork as a reason not to help.

Shame on the true pork, shame on you for not seeing the big picture of those who lost homes in that storm.

Do you really think there was a blatant refusal to help NJ an NY because they are blue states? I believe two days later the House sent a porkless bell to the Senate for approval so really those two days mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[rpmGator]

Yep. There is a growing disconnect between northern states that once had a two seat lead for R's that are now a 24 seat majority for the D's, and the south that has more far right wingers than the other region.

Ask the dough boy in Jersey what he thinks. It wasn't that long ago, when many of you would have ran to the pols to vote for him. Bet that isnt' true any longer either.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by rpmGator

Yep. There is a growing disconnect between northern states that once had a two seat lead for R's that are now a 24 seat majority for the D's, and the south that has more far right wingers than the other region.

Ask the dough boy in Jersey what he thinks. It wasn't that long ago, when many of you would have ran to the pols to vote for him. Bet that isnt' true any longer either.

I live at the Jersey Shore and have lived here my whole life with the exception of my time at UF. I can assure you there is no more of a disconnect know then there ever was. As far as Christie, I can tell you for a fact he was using is pulpit to do what he has to do.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

996, no matter how many times you want to claim the pork was stripped out of the bill it doesn't make it true. Perhaps by now you convinced yourself of it.
I produced the bill for you that was sent to the House and even gave you the page the pork was documented.

I started a thread about the inability of the House to bring a vote on a aid bill for the victims of "Sandy"....

You responded by complaining about pork in a Senate bill

I explained to you that has no bearing on Boehner's inability to bring a vote since the House introduced their own bill without the pork

Unlike everyone else in America, you do not seem to understand that those 2 bills are then brought together...hence the schoolhouse rock video

Boehner chose after the "fiscal cliff" vote to not even bring a "Sandy" bill to the floor because he was more concerned about being re-elected as the House leader and not pissing off the Teaparty.

That was more important to him than helping the victims of a natural disaster.

Christie & King have openly accused him playing politics, regionalism, and a lack of leadership...

While this is a discussion of the dysfunctional House...you continue to rail about the activities of the Senate.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...827167752.html

The U.S. government has provided flood coverage since the late 1960s, filling a void left by a private-sector insurance industry that generally views floods as too unpredictable and too expensive to cover. But the federal program has been in financial trouble, having borrowed billions from the Treasury to pay out claims in recent years. The largest hit—$16 billion in claims—came from Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Sandy dealt it another significant blow.

There are a series of obstacles to approving the remaining $51 billion. Some House Republicans claim the package includes unwarranted "pork" expenditures and has insufficient oversight of how the aid funds are disbursed. Northeastern members of Congress from both parties disagree, saying that everything in the bill is urgently needed to help storm victims.

The measure that the House was set to vote on earlier this week had been pared slightly from the one passed by the Senate at the end of last month.

"There are no non-disaster-related things in this bill," Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.) said.

But some of the provisions that were stripped away could make it harder to pass in the Senate later this month, Mr. Schumer said, because they appealed to lawmakers from other regions who might not otherwise vote for the bill.

Among other things, the Sandy relief package would replenish the Federal Emergency Management Agency funds used to pay grants to disaster victims, fund Army Corps of Engineers projects designed to protect the coastline, and repair mass transit and housing.

[gatorman_07732]

smoke and mirrors 996. Boehner did the right thing by not letting that pork-laden bill to come to a vote. I mean wow, Harry Reid does this all the time and I very see you calling him out.

[corpgator]

How are repairs to things damaged in the storm pork? The fisheries I can see, but not the roof on the Smithsonian and the sand dunes at the Kennedy center, which were caused by Sandy.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

smoke and mirrors 996. Boehner did the right thing by not letting that pork-laden bill to come to a vote. I mean wow, Harry Reid does this all the time and I very see you calling him out.

Ha!
(Its noticed that u aren't debating the facts of what was posted)

I didn't call Boehner out on pork...you did.

Boehner didn't bring the vote because he was more worried about keeping his job.

That's a leader

BTW - I guess that's an admission that I never said anything about the senate bill




I can criticize Reid for a bipartisan bill with pork....


Can you call Boehner out for not even offering a alternative bill vote?

Why would he do that a month and a half after the storm?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

Ha!

Can you call Boehner out for not even offering a alternative bill vote?

You are in la la land, what do you think he just did? You understand that the Senate hauled ass home for the holidays as soon as they passed the porkulus bill right? You need to give up, because I nailed you every which way you bobbed and weaved on this issue. You used up whatever credibility you had.

[rpmGator]

Those who use politics to cover up a lack of common knowledge, aren't fooling anyone but themselves.