Let’s Give Up on the Constitution

[MichiGator2002]

Honestly, you're right. Throw out all such documents, even. Ah, to be back in good old 1214.

[Gatorpika]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Sure, but it doesn't change the fact that what I said about the Constitution is true. It's a piece of paper a bunch of rich old men wrote on giving themselves the legal authority to form a federal Mafia and rob you in perpetuity, regulate your interactions with others, and lord over you for the duration of your life.

The Revolutionary War was basically just a classic turf war. The poor, peasant colonists who largely fought it were tricked into throwing out the old Crown Mafia mob bosses for Colony Mafia mob bosses who treated them and exploited them just as bad.

You could say the same thing about any form of government other than anarchy or communism. I was talking about the nuances of our form of government compared to others, not whether we should be governed at all.

[g8orbill]

there is an excellent class on the Constitution offered on line by Hillsdale College

http://constitution.hillsdale.edu/101/info

[Gatorpika]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

Honestly, you're right. Throw out all such documents, even. Ah, to be back in good old 1214.

They need to get the guns back first.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

Honestly, you're right. Throw out all such documents, even. Ah, to be back in good old 1214.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. How does time or a change in calendar year have any bearing on the truth?

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

Honestly, you're right. Throw out all such documents, even. Ah, to be back in good old 1214.

The Battle of Bouvines ? Is that what you're driving at ?

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Gatorpika

Florida has more of a say in how Barney Frank is governed than Barney Frank has a say in how Florida is governed.

How ? Every eligible voter in Florida could vote against him and it would have no effect. On the other hand, Frank can shape the federal government. And Florida is beholden to the federal government.

[Gatorpika]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

How ? Every eligible voter in Florida could vote against him and it would have no effect. On the other hand, Frank can shape the federal government. And Florida is beholden to the federal government.

Florida has more representatives than commie Massachusetts. If Florida elects reps to vote against Frank, Frank and Massachusetts are stuck with what Florida wants.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Gatorpika

Florida has more representatives than commie Massachusetts. If Florida elects reps to vote against Frank, Frank and Massachusetts are stuck with what Florida wants.

For all of Florida's growth, it doesn't seem to have helped. In fact, Red States are growing faster than Blue States, but in effect, the US is becoming Bluer.

[Gatorpika]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

For all of Florida's growth, it doesn't seem to have helped. In fact, Red States are growing faster than Blue States, but in effect, the US is becoming Bluer.

Yep. Because all the commie Yankees are moving south for work/retirement. An they are bringing their misguided beliefs with them.

[MichiGator2002]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. How does time or a change in calendar year have any bearing on the truth?

Because your reasoning would also classify Magna Carta, the following year, as rich people blah blah anarchist cakes. Let's have done with all of it.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

Because your reasoning would also classify Magna Carta, the following year, as rich people blah blah anarchist cakes. Let's have done with all of it.

Well, wasn't it? You think poor peasants came up with the Magna Carta?

LOL.

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by rivergator

I'm pretty sure the Constitution says it wasn't.

I said it wasn't too, if you'd paid attention. After all he didn't advocate the use of violence within his call to overthrow of the Constitution.

[MichiGator2002]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Well, wasn't it? You think poor peasants came up with the Magna Carta?

LOL.

No, I was hoping that the rationally incontestible importance of Magna Carta in the advancement of human civilization and the sheer lunacy of contemplating a world in which it never took place might shake you from this absurd notion that any idea a rich person or people ever had is per se wicked and unjust. Tooooo much credit.

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by gatorlaw71

The only reason slavery existed in this country was because of men with guns.

The only reason slavery existed in this country was because it had always existed everywhere until particular nations took it upon themselves to end the practice.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

No, I was hoping that the rationally incontestible importance of Magna Carta in the advancement of human civilization and the sheer lunacy of contemplating a world in which it never took place might shake you from this absurd notion that any idea a rich person or people ever had is per se wicked and unjust. Tooooo much credit.

LULZ.

Advancement of human civilization? You call this "civilization"? What's so civilized about it? Nothing's really changed. It's still just people fighting over who's going to rule the roost. It's still just people fighting over who's going to exploit the population's labor. It's still just people trying to accumulate as much power over their fellow man as possible. The boundaries have changed, the technology has changed, and the justifications have changed, but it's still just the same charade.

[Lawdog88]

And your solution was . . . ?

[ChartsandGrafs]

Facing reality would be a good start.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Minister_of_Information

The only reason slavery existed in this country was because it had always existed everywhere until particular nations took it upon themselves to end the practice.

And if I might interject, nearly every nation, save the US, ended it without conscription and bloody conflagration.

In other words, they didn't resort to one form of slavery to end another form of slavery.

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Sure, but that works to the favor of both parties (helps dems in CA, helps pubs in TX) and neither is in favor of unilateral disarmament.

Yes, but we would get less nutjobs from both.