Fascism, Socialism, and Communism

[Burke]

In their real world examples, really just the same thing: collectivist thug states.

The full name of the former Soviet Union was Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The Nazis were National Socialists, their name having been made from the German words for national socialism.

Communism is supposed to be an ideal stateless, classless society. Marx idea was that after the dirty capitalists were overthrown, they would evolve through socialism into it. None of the supposed communist nations such as China, the USSR, Cuba, etc. have ever gone past plain socialism.

The alternative to all is a free, capitalist society, one that protects individual rights as our Founders envisioned.

Read all about it here:

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/fa...socialism.html

And here:

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/fascism-nazism.html

And learn what Leftists really are.

[bluelang]

Democracy is also a collectivist thug state by your bastardization of Rand's definitions. So what? Be a ****ing anarchist already.

[rpmGator]

Anything taken to the extreme, is the same as any other system taken to an extreme.

Even the type of extreme you like.

[Burke]

Democracy, unlimited majority rule, is a thug state. The will of the majority overrides the rights of individuals. The rule of the majority has given the world Hitler, Mussolini, the mullahs of Iran, Hamas in Gaza, now the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Chavez in Venezuela, Kirchner in Argentina, and slavery in this country, among other things.

The only just state is one that exists to protect the rights of individuals.

Socialists like to claim that there is some big difference between socialism and fascism.

That fascists are monsters but socialists, beneficent.

But Stalin and Mao murdered many, many more people than Hitler did.

You might call these "inconvenient truths."

And what do they all hate the most?

America, of course. The freest nation in history, the real alternative to their dreams.

[rivergator]

Wait a minute, who hates America?

[Burke]

All lefties.

But they do like something about America.

There is more here to loot.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by Burke

All lefties.

But they do like something about America.

There is more here to loot.

You used to take it further. Anyone who wasn't a Rand cultist hates life, right?

[Burke]

People who love their lives generally want to be free to live.

Those who hate their lives can't stand the sight of those who do, of what they themselves have given up. Accordingly, they hate the freedom that makes happy people possible and the countries that provide that freedom.

The haters frequently become "humanitarians" seizing the wealth of the happy and productive. Environmentalists "saving the planet" from them, etc.

And they tend to be very sympathetic to the truly dedicated life haters who fly planes into tall buildings and so forth.

[Dreamliner]

"Extremes meet." BWA-HA-HA! That's as funny as "You can have liberty and equality."

[busigator96]

Take away money and artificial scarcity

[madgator]

Thanks for these links. I've been thinking quite a bit about the actual differences between communism/socialism and fascism. Great food for thought.

[busigator96]

What do you know about a resource based economy? Peter Joseph can explain it to you on YouTube.

[Minister_of_Information]

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." -- Mao Tse Tung

BTW, the grand link between Objectism and these philosophies is Utopianism rooted in eschatological dualism.

[GatorRade]

I'm not sure that I see this as anything other than a semantic argument. You want to define fascism as communism? Sure. You want to define Obama as a fascist. Ok. The real question is what are the underlying principles that define fascism or communism. That is the question that this board so rarely addresses.

For me, these two aren't even really in the same category. Communism is an economic system, whereas fascism seems to include quite a bit of social aspects. In my view, one of the major aspects of fascism is strong national identity and squashing opposing viewpoints. Here, I see this done quite a bit by people calling ideas "unAmerican". In this regard, there isn't much that is more fascist than this idiotic Piers Morgan deportation debacle.

[wgbgator]

It should be noted however, that however one wants to define "communism" or "fascism," they arose as alternatives and reactions to the crises and failures of capitalism and classical liberalism in the West to deliver a "free" society.

[108]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

It should be noted however, that however one wants to define "communism" or "fascism," they arose as alternatives and reactions to the crises and failures of capitalism and classical liberalism in the West to deliver a "free" society.

Which is why Capitalism needs a leash within a democracy

[MichiGator2002]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

It should be noted however, that however one wants to define "communism" or "fascism," they arose as alternatives and reactions to the crises and failures of capitalism and classical liberalism in the West to deliver a "free" society.

It would be more precise to say they arose as alternatives to the imperfect realities of a free society; they are alternatives to freedom. Capitalism and classical liberalism are not means of attempting a free society that fall short of doing so; they are the mechanism of a free society, warts and all.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

It would be more precise to say they arose as alternatives to the imperfect realities of a free society; they are alternatives to freedom. Capitalism and classical liberalism are not means of attempting a free society that fall short of doing so; they are the mechanism of a free society, warts and all.

Alternatives to freedom as defined by capitalists and liberals, that is. I'm sure communists thought a classless society was both liberating and free.

[philnotfil]

Originally Posted by bluelang

Democracy is also a collectivist thug state by your bastardization of Rand's definitions. So what? Be a ****ing anarchist already.

QFT, both parts

[Dreamliner]

You guys talk about anarchism like it's a bad thing. Look what government has done to us.