Neocons

[co_gator89]

Another testament to neocon idiocy. More of those Iraqis we "liberated" just got killed.

http://www.chron.com/news/world/arti...23-4156463.php

Hurray spreading democracy!

[Sterned]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Is g8orbill the most conservative poster on the board? Probably a tea party activist?

Bill's what they call a Teahadist.

[AmericaFirst]

Originally Posted by chemgator

What a load of crap. Israel is an extremely small part of our foreign policy--almost inconsequential. We have yet to send large numbers of troops into the ME because of or on behalf of Israel. Oil (including the free market's access to it, as well as what is done with the profits from selling it) is a hundred times the driver of policy that Israel is. If we invade Iran, it will be because of the 60,000 nuclear centrifuges that we've been helping them to buy. (And yes, Reagan supported Israel as well.) Maybe you need to wake up.

LOL...Israel a small part of America's foreign policy? That is so off it's beyond hilarious that you would even post it. We can thank the Israelis for their "intelligence" on Saddam and those WMDs. The Israelis told us they were there. They weren't. Surprise surprise, eh? The Israelis have been trying to pull us into their conflict with Iran for years now. if we ever do anything militarily against Iran, it will be for Israel, period.

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by AmericaFirst

LOL...Israel a small part of America's foreign policy? That is so off it's beyond hilarious that you would even post it. We can thank the Israelis for their "intelligence" on Saddam and those WMDs. The Israelis told us they were there. They weren't. Surprise surprise, eh? The Israelis have been trying to pull us into their conflict with Iran for years now. if we ever do anything militarily against Iran, it will be for Israel, period.

Was the withdrawal of support for Mumbarak that resulted in the Muslim Brotherhood taking control of Egypt in the best interest if Israel?

Was the taking out Gaddafi in the best interest of Israel?

Is the aiding of the Syrian rebels in the best interest of Israel?

Was the invest if millions into the Brazilian offshore oil fields in the best interest of Israel?

Was the continuing of the war in Afghanistan in the best interest of Israel?

Also..,,if Iran were to close off the Hormuz Strait would a military respond be a sign that we support Israel.

[chemgator]

Originally Posted by AmericaFirst

LOL...Israel a small part of America's foreign policy? That is so off it's beyond hilarious that you would even post it. We can thank the Israelis for their "intelligence" on Saddam and those WMDs. The Israelis told us they were there. They weren't. Surprise surprise, eh? The Israelis have been trying to pull us into their conflict with Iran for years now. if we ever do anything militarily against Iran, it will be for Israel, period.

So naive . . . Which Israelis told us WMD were in Iraq? I don't remember getting that memo. Israel has no conflict with Iran, other than Ahmedjinad's crazy talk and clandestine support of Hamas. Israel has a much bigger conflict with Syria, which is a much more active supporter of political and terrorist organizations in the Palestinian territories. And Syria smuggles weapons through Lebanon. If there is one foreign country that Israel would like to vanish from the face of the earth, it's Syria. Why haven't we invaded Syria?

It's beyond hilarious that you would have so little understanding of the world around you. You are obviously parroting Palestinian talking points from some crazy anti-Zionist group or another. "Polly want a cracker?" Try thinking for yourself some time.

[AmericaFirst]

Originally Posted by chemgator

So naive . . . Which Israelis told us WMD were in Iraq? I don't remember getting that memo. Israel has no conflict with Iran, other than Ahmedjinad's crazy talk and clandestine support of Hamas. Israel has a much bigger conflict with Syria, which is a much more active supporter of political and terrorist organizations in the Palestinian territories. And Syria smuggles weapons through Lebanon. If there is one foreign country that Israel would like to vanish from the face of the earth, it's Syria. Why haven't we invaded Syria?

It's beyond hilarious that you would have so little understanding of the world around you. You are obviously parroting Palestinian talking points from some crazy anti-Zionist group or another. "Polly want a cracker?" Try thinking for yourself some time.

Right here. The Israelis "misread" the Iraqi threat. That's code for they let thousands of Americans die in a war that benefited them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3294865.stm

If you haven't noticed, our politicians have been floating Syria invasion scenarios and have said so under the guise of Syria using "chemical weapons" on the civilians. Get back to me if they use those weapons and we don't intervene...with more US taxpayer money.

As for Lebanon, they have the most religiously diverse country in the Middle East. I always get a kick out of those that talk about them as if they're a terrorist state simply because Hezbollah operates out of Lebanon, and they have very few seats in the Parliament. If you want to a visit a great country with history, diversity, etc. you visit Lebanon. Not Israel.

Learn a thing or two and you might see why Israel is hated across the world. If they can suck us into a war against Iran, they'll do it. If Romney got elected, we'd probably be there now doing their dirty work for them.

[co_gator89]

I don't know how much the Iraq war benefited Israel. If anything it benefited Iran as we took out one of their most hostile, hated enemies in Saddam and replaced him with much friendlier Shias who let them run their weapons and supplies into Syria and Hezbollah territory in Lebanon.

Yeah, that was totally worth the billions of dollars and 4,500 soldiers we lost there, right?

[DeanMeadGator]

Originally Posted by cocodrilo

The result of the 2000 election was a neocon coup. Dubya probably didn't know what a neocon was till he became their puppet and invaded Iraq for them. Yes, I would say they are dangerous.

Dangerous philosophy:

1. Cut spending

2. Reject spending that will raise the deficit from $16 trillion to $20 trillion at the end of the next 4 years.

3. Refuse to steal from our children and grandchildren [in our case, 6] in order to pay for our unwillingness and outright refusal to stop spending their money.

4. Believe in the economic system that made America great.

5. Realize that spending huge amounts more than you make will lead to economic ruin.

6. Believe that we should give our children a better life than we have.

7. Believe that taxing the rich sounds good, but only results in enough to pay for about 7 days of government spending.

8. Realize that Sam Walton and Steve Jobs were rich, but created an enormous number of jobs and the sale of products that Americans want.

"Neocon" is a stupid term that, if applied to minorities, would be repulsive.

Spend, spend, spend, spend. That is the key to success. Sorry - I reject that flawed philosophy.

Signed, old conservative who values the future of our children, grandchildren and country.

To be sure, I grew up in a generation which was taught that if you had 50 cents in your piggy bank, you could not spend $10.00. You saved enough to buy $10.00 worth of stuff when you had $10.00.

[chemgator]

I view the neoconservatives as a group of people that were in power with GWB, primarily led by Cheney and Rumsfeld, but including a few others. Cheney and Rumsfeld have no hope of ever being in power again. They seemed to believe that U.S. military power would solve all foreign problems, without the need for diplomacy, or economic action. They based this concept on the idea that the U.S. has a stronger military than anyone else, so why not use it to vanquish the "bad guys"? They also saw no problem with increasing debt and expanding gov't, something they have in common with the current administration. They were wrong, just like Obama is wrong. Hopefully we can reverse the slide of Democracy into Idiocracy in 2016.

[chemgator]

Originally Posted by AmericaFirst

Right here. The Israelis "misread" the Iraqi threat. That's code for they let thousands of Americans die in a war that benefited them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3294865.stm

If you haven't noticed, our politicians have been floating Syria invasion scenarios and have said so under the guise of Syria using "chemical weapons" on the civilians. Get back to me if they use those weapons and we don't intervene...with more US taxpayer money.

As for Lebanon, they have the most religiously diverse country in the Middle East. I always get a kick out of those that talk about them as if they're a terrorist state simply because Hezbollah operates out of Lebanon, and they have very few seats in the Parliament. If you want to a visit a great country with history, diversity, etc. you visit Lebanon. Not Israel.

Learn a thing or two and you might see why Israel is hated across the world. If they can suck us into a war against Iran, they'll do it. If Romney got elected, we'd probably be there now doing their dirty work for them.

What a joke! Nowhere in your little article did it say that the Israelis were the primary source for intell on Iraqi WMD. All it said was they "contributed" information to the U.S. If you think that we would go to war based on Israeli intelligence on a country it doesn't share a border with and has limited access to, you might need to go back to school. Did we also go to war with North Korea and Vietnam based on Israeli intelligence?

I never said that Lebanon was a terrorist state. Maybe you should take some reading comprehension classes. While you're at it, take a class on the history of Israel--they are not without their share of historical events and sites, and they have the good fortune to have those sites preserved in modern times by the Israelis, who do a far better job than most ME countries under much more challenging circumstances.

[AmericaFirst]

Originally Posted by chemgator

What a joke! Nowhere in your little article did it say that the Israelis were the primary source for intell on Iraqi WMD. All it said was they "contributed" information to the U.S. If you think that we would go to war based on Israeli intelligence on a country it doesn't share a border with and has limited access to, you might need to go back to school. Did we also go to war with North Korea and Vietnam based on Israeli intelligence?

I never said that Lebanon was a terrorist state. Maybe you should take some reading comprehension classes. While you're at it, take a class on the history of Israel--they are not without their share of historical events and sites, and they have the good fortune to have those sites preserved in modern times by the Israelis, who do a far better job than most ME countries under much more challenging circumstances.

My goodness you are reaching. The Israelis were some of the main intelligence on Saddam and WMDs. Period. Of course, we had our own idiots providing false info as well but they had a hand in it as I stated. Read up on AIPAC and you'll understand why Israel is a problem in the USA. Here, I'll get you started with their former president that was caught telling an undercover agent that he tells our politicians anything they want to hear in order to get more money for Israel.

Have any idea how despicable this quote below is? Now remember that it's this organization that is pushing the Israeli agenda in America.

"I got, besides the $3 billion, you know they're looking for the Jewish votes, and I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear.... Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don't even know about.... I have friends on the Clinton campaign, close associates.... I've known Bill for seven, eight years from the National Governors Association. I know him on a personal basis.... One of my friends is Hillary Clinton's scheduler, one of my officer's daughters works there. We gave two employees from AIPAC leave of absence to work on the campaign. I mean, we have a dozen people in the campaign, in the headquarters, in Little Rock, and they're all going to get big jobs.... I also work with a think tank, the Washington Institute. I have Michael Mandelbaum and Martin Indyk being foreign policy advisers... Steve Spiegel.... We have Bill Clinton's ear. I talked to Bill Clinton. He's going to be very good for us.... A girl who worked for me at AIPAC stood up for them at their wedding. Hillary lived with her. I mean we have those relationships.... Susan Thomases, who's in there, worked with me on the Bradley campaign. We worked together for 13 years. She's in there with the family. They stay with her when they come to New York. One of my officers, Monte Friedkin, is one of the biggest fund-raisers for them. I mean, I have people like that all over the country.... He's said he's going to help us. He's got something in his heart for the Jews, he has Jewish friends.... Clinton is the best guy for us.... We're just negotiating. We're more interested right now in the secretary of state and the secretary of National Security Agency.... I've got a list. But I really can't go through it. I'm not allowed to talk about it.... We'll have access." - AIPAC's Former President David Steiner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Steiner_(AIPAC)

[chemgator]

I'm reaching? No, YOU'RE reaching. If you can prove that Israel was the primary source of intell on Iraq, do it. Are you in the CIA offices right now?

The leaders of half the countries in the world will tell our politicians what they want to hear for a shot at a few billion dollars in aid money. Israel does not have the corner on that market. Did you just fall off the turnip truck by any chance? Once you've had a chance to travel a bit and see the world, you might see things differently. Maybe you wouldn't faint at the sound of a lobbying group talking about access to politicians. For now, just try to get out of your parents' basement and go for a walk and get some fresh air, maybe read a newspaper. Stop reading your Palestinian propaganda for a couple weeks, see what happens.

[Burke]

The fact is that the Israelis wanted us to attack Iran, not Iraq or Afghanistan, which they claimed were small potatoes compared to Iran.

And they were right.

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by 108

examples of "leftist radicals" within today's neoconservatives?

Irving Kristol, Daniel Bell, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, and David Horowitz are some examples of neoconservatives who began on the radical left. Trotsky seems in particular to have been an early influence for a number of neoconservative converts.

[AmericaFirst]

Originally Posted by chemgator

I'm reaching? No, YOU'RE reaching. If you can prove that Israel was the primary source of intell on Iraq, do it. Are you in the CIA offices right now?

The leaders of half the countries in the world will tell our politicians what they want to hear for a shot at a few billion dollars in aid money. Israel does not have the corner on that market. Did you just fall off the turnip truck by any chance? Once you've had a chance to travel a bit and see the world, you might see things differently. Maybe you wouldn't faint at the sound of a lobbying group talking about access to politicians. For now, just try to get out of your parents' basement and go for a walk and get some fresh air, maybe read a newspaper. Stop reading your Palestinian propaganda for a couple weeks, see what happens.

LOL...so funny. I feel bad for those like yourself that don't get it even when it's staring you in the face.

[AmericaFirst]

Originally Posted by Burke

The fact is that the Israelis wanted us to attack Iran, not Iraq or Afghanistan, which they claimed were small potatoes compared to Iran.

And they were right.

The Israelis can do it themselves. They have a huge military. No reason for us to be over there.

[rpmGator]

I give the green light to Israel to go after any nation they want, without us.

Any nation that wants war, should just do it while we sit this one out.