Neocons

[AmericaFirst]

Originally Posted by Burke

I once heard Limbaugh say that a neocons are always Jewish. I've gotten the impression that they are mostly former leftists, as Krauthammer is.

Neocon's aren't always Jewish but many of them are. It's interesting that Limbaugh would make that statement. I'd like to hear his thoughts on the Middle East. He usually focuses more on domestic matters. Neocon's are mostly a mixture of Zionist Jews, Zionist Christians, and former leftists as you state. I think saying "Jews" is far too simplistic since the Neocon movement was founded with Israel in mind and a number of Jews don't want anything to do with Israel.


"I do believe that there is a group of people who got involved and had a disproportionate influence on U.S. foreign policy. There were people out there in the Jewish community who saw this as a way to create a benign domino theory and eliminate all of Israel's enemies.... I think it represents a really dangerous anachronistic neocolonial sensibility. And I think it is a very, very dangerous form of extremism. I think it's bad for Israel and it's bad for America. And these guys have been getting a free ride. And now these people are backing the notion of a war with Iran and not all of them, but some of them, are doing it because they believe that Iran is an existential threat to Israel." - Joe Klein (Time Magazine)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

[rpmGator]

No Bill, the right wing thinks everyone is liberal and treat them in a way, to make even the moderates hate your positions.

[rivergator]

From The American Conservative;

The “neocons” believe American greatness is measured by our willingness to be a great power—through vast and virtually unlimited global military involvement. Other nations’ problems invariably become our own because history and fate have designated America the world’s top authority.

Critics say the US cannot afford to be the world’s policeman. Neoconservatives not only say that we can but we must—and that we will cease to be America if we don’t. Writes Boston Globe neoconservative columnist Jeff Jacoby: “Our world needs a policeman. And whether most Americans like it or not, only their indispensable nation is fit for the job.” Neocon intellectual Max Boot says explicitly that the US should be the world’s policeman because we are the best policeman.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) heartily champions the neoconservative view. While virtually every other recognizably Tea Party congressman or senator opposes the Libyan intervention, Rubio believes the world’s top cop should be flashing its Sherriff’s badge more forcefully in Libya—and everywhere else. New York Times columnist Ross Douthat explains:

“Rubio is the great neoconservative hope, the champion of a foreign policy that boldly goes abroad in search of monsters to destroy… His maiden Senate speech was a paean to national greatness, whose peroration invoked John F. Kennedy and insisted that America remain the ‘watchman on the wall of world freedom.”

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[g8orbill]

based upon that link river I do not qualify as a neocon

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

based upon that link river I do not qualify as a neocon

me either.

[cocodrilo]

Well God help us if Rubio is our future. In a sane world you would think that the Bush administration would have totally discredited the neocons. Instead they're crouching at the door. Romney wanted to bring them back too but now they have to wait a little longer, though we may well go to war anyway with Iran, which will tide them over nicely.

[AmericaFirst]

Originally Posted by rivergator

From The American Conservative;



link

If that's correct about Rubio, I won't ever vote for him. These scumbags waging war in the Middle East, getting our troops killed like sitting ducks, and making the American taxpayer pay for it are the epitome of evil. It's no surprise that Rubio is a neoconservative if that's true since the neocons that have destroyed the GOP are pushing a "minority" candidate like Rubio as the next GOP presidential rep.

[AmericaFirst]

Originally Posted by cocodrilo

Well God help us if Rubio is our future. In a sane world you would think that the Bush administration would have totally discredited the neocons. Instead they're crouching at the door. Romney wanted to bring them back too but now they have to wait a little longer, though we may well go to war anyway with Iran, which will tide them over nicely.

One Name - John.Bolton.



He has been wanting to bomb Iran since 2008, was an architect of the Iraq war, and also was a spineless turd back in the 60s when he admitted that he dodged the Vietnam draft. Biggest warmongers these days are those that didn't have the spine to serve their country when needed.



Oh, and Romney was going to appoint Bolton Secretary of Defense. FRIGHTENING.

[Dreamliner]

I'm just pissed-off at Democrats for electing Bush to a fourth term.

[cocodrilo]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

I'm just pissed-off at Democrats for electing Bush to a fourth term.

He looks much better with a tan. It even seems to have made him smarter.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by cocodrilo

He looks much better with a tan. It even seems to have made him smarter.

That and he's got the teleprompter working now.

[g8orbill]

I am for conservative ideals and such-but I am not for us being the world's policeman- I actually would like to see us lead through economic example and while I think a strong military is important would prefer we led by the might of our forces and not by actually going in to other countries and risking our military's lives-the one thing bo has done that I actually approve of is his use of drones.

[agigator]

Originally Posted by rpmGator

Fact is, the further in either direction you go from the middle, the more you are full of it.

You might be able to make a case for this if what constituted the "middle" were relatively stationary. It's not. The "middle" of today is quite bit to the left of where it was fifty years ago and it will be even further to the left ten years from now.

[g8orbill]

rpm-people who profess to be in the middle are usually people who cannot make a decision

[Dreamliner]

I made a decision 10 years ago. That's why I'm on the outside.

[ATLitigator]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

I am for conservative ideals and such-but I am not for us being the world's policeman- I actually would like to see us lead through economic example and while I think a strong military is important would prefer we led by the might of our forces and not by actually going in to other countries and risking our military's lives-the one thing bo has done that I actually approve of is his use of drones.

bill....the problem is that there will be a world superpower (militarily). We can either be it, or we can be subject to it

it is not a pleasant thought, but it is a reality

[g8orbill]

ATL- I want us to be that superpower-I just do not want us to be involved in every disagreement in countries run by dictators

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

I'm just pissed-off at Democrats for electing Bush to a fourth term.

I'm glad Bush has told Bibi to suck it and that the USA will not fight his war in Iran. I'm glad Bush is leaving Afghanistan in 2014. I'm glad he's now using drones to wipe out terrorists and not using young men and women.

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

I am for conservative ideals and such-but I am not for us being the world's policeman- I actually would like to see us lead through economic example and while I think a strong military is important would prefer we led by the might of our forces and not by actually going in to other countries and risking our military's lives-the one thing bo has done that I actually approve of is his use of drones.

I might have misjudged you as a hardcore, extreme right winger...it seems that you are just a right winger.

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by ATLitigator

bill....the problem is that there will be a world superpower (militarily). We can either be it, or we can be subject to it

it is not a pleasant thought, but it is a reality

Who? China? China is a paper tiger. It will collapse from within. All that repression of its citizenry will be its downfall. The people will rise up and demand respect, food, freedom and demand less military spending.