Florida dominating instate recruiting

[UGator]

Clemson, by most accounts, has an attractive campus and friendly fans and women and the ACC for their competitive juices.

The SEC is a different animal all together! Players have to work and prepare and compete against the best in college football, PERIOD!

Teens today rarely understand the importance of personal responsibility, accountability and the work required for self improvement on the playing field or life in general. Maybe their parents and coaches haven't prepared them for the battle of life ahead. Too bad!

Muschamp resonates a chance for a recruit to play provided the work and competition and walking the line are understood and will be demonstrated while at UF. If they are intimidated or woefully entitled to not want this kind of focus, let them go to Clemson or any other school for the fun and without a mission for titles and championships!

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by UGator

Clemson, by most accounts, has an attractive campus and friendly fans and women and the ACC for their competitive juices.

The SEC is a different animal all together! Players have to work and prepare and compete against the best in college football, PERIOD!

Teens today rarely understand the importance of personal responsibility, accountability and the work required for self improvement on the playing field or life in general. Maybe their parents and coaches haven't prepared them for the battle of life ahead. Too bad!

Muschamp resonates a chance for a recruit to play provided the work and competition and walking the line are understood and will be demonstrated while at UF. If they are intimidated or woefully entitled to not want this kind of focus, let them go to Clemson or any other school for the fun and without a mission for titles and championships!

This can't be a serious post.

[thedyc09]

I'm positively giddy that we may be able to make in-roads (again) into South Florida if/when Miami gets slapped around. I'm also looking forward to the day SOS leaves USCe to come home to Gainesville, re-opening the fertile SC recruiting grounds to us.

[gatordentist]

I guess I am greedy. Don't understand why we can get more than 2 of top 10 though.

[ofmgator]

If we can get some of the best players from out off state then sobeit. That said, if we get most of the best from the state of Florida we'll continue on our way up the mountain because the south breeds speed and athleticism like no where else.

[thedyc09]

Originally Posted by gatordentist

I guess I am greedy. Don't understand why we can get more than 2 of top 10 though.

We have three of the top ten. Numbers 1, 9, and 10.

Greg Bryant and Ryan Green were both in the top 10, and both were slotted below Taylor and Lane on our board.

There has been mutual interest between Florida and each of the four remaining uncommitted prospects (Tunsil, Thomas, Alexander, and McQuay). Though, it seems unlikely that we're going to grab any of them.

That leaves Joey Bosa, who I believe is a legacy to Ohio State.

Miami has ZERO players in the top 10, but will likely end up with 1.

Alabama has ZERO players in the top 10, and will likely end with 0.

Georgia has ZERO players in the top 10, but will likely end up with 1.

Clemson has ZERO players in the top 10, but will likely end up with 1.

LSU, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Auburn haven't sniffed a top Florida player this year.

Slowly but surely Will Muschamp is building a fence around the state of Florida, with a doggie door for the kids we don't want.

[themistocles]

Very interesting.

I have generally paid attention to the Florida Top 50 for about 35 years, because being Top 50 in Florida is roughly the same as being Top 10 in most states with a few exceptions.

In order, the states that consistently produce the greatest number of Division I quality football players are:

1 - Florida, Texas & Georgia - all three pretty close

2 - California

3 - North Carolina

4 - Louisiana, Virginia, South Carolina and Alabama

5 - Mississippi & Tennessee

The reason is pretty simple, these are the states with the Largest African American population. Additionally, all of these states except California, emphasize football, which mean that coaching is available. Pennsylvania and Ohio also emphasize football, but their populations are too white to produce much other than offensive linemen, a few linebackers and fullbacks.

African American populations, according to the Census Bureau's 2009 projection of populations, listed by the ranking numbers above were:

1 - 2.9 million
2 - 2.4 million
3 - 2.0 million
4 - 1.2-1.5 million
5 - 1.0 million

Of course, the ranking services, frequently being housed in a specific state, will bias that state's recruit rankings upward.

[gtr2x]

Originally Posted by thedyc09

That leaves Joey Bosa, who I believe is a legacy to Ohio State.
want.

Bosa,s dad played at BC, then the Dolphins, NTIM.

[Zanso]

Originally Posted by thedyc09

Alabama has ZERO players in the top 10, and will likely end with 0

Bama has 1- Demarcus Walker. He's 6th in state on rivals since he moved up in rankings, they just haven't updated his page. He definitely is a top 10 player in the state IMO.

That being said we've done good, but between Bama, Georgia, LSU, Clemson, FSU etc. each taking a player it really means we aren't "dominating" the state. Sure when you compare us to each team individually we do better in Florida (as we should) but when you look at the bigger picture we are losing tons of recruits from Florida to out of state schools.

Schools rarely pull top alabama talent from bama or top lousiana talent from LSU. Sure there aren't enough scholarship spots to take all the talent in Florida (since there is an excess amount) we still seem to lose about 50% of the in state players that we want to other schools.

edit: Georgia does way worse than us in state though.

[GCNumber7]

True, but how much money/effort do we spend in LA or AL vs. other schools in FL?

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by Zanso

Bama has 1- Demarcus Walker. He's 6th in state on rivals since he moved up in rankings, they just haven't updated his page. He definitely is a top 10 player in the state IMO.

That being said we've done good, but between Bama, Georgia, LSU, Clemson, FSU etc. each taking a player it really means we aren't "dominating" the state. Sure when you compare us to each team individually we do better in Florida (as we should) but when you look at the bigger picture we are losing tons of recruits from Florida to out of state schools.
Schools rarely pull top alabama talent from bama or top lousiana talent from LSU. Sure there aren't enough scholarship spots to take all the talent in Florida (since there is an excess amount) we still seem to lose about 50% of the in state players that we want to other schools.

edit: Georgia does way worse than us in state though.

I don't agree with you at all. When you lock up 10-12 of the top 23 players instate, you're gettin' it done. Alabama is a different state. As is Louisiana. If you're from 'Bama, all you root for 'Bama or Auburn. Almost every kid who grows up in Louisiana pulls for the Tigers. The pressure those kids get to stay instate is almost unfair.

The state of Florida is a different dynamic. It's not as frowned upon-outside of really small towns-for an athlete to want to go out of state. Everybody knows what kind of talent the state of Florida has, so naturally it's recruited extremely hard by other schools from the South and all over the country. There's also a lot of talent down there. So, for a school like Florida to get nearly 50% of the top 25 recruits instate, that's pretty good.

LSU loses players to schools like Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma and A&M. Georgia may not sign any of the top instate prospects this year, and routinely gets beat on some of the top prospects from their own state. They also traditionally don't do too well recruiting Atlanta, an area that yearly produces a lot of talent. Clemson doesn't beat us as often as people think on instate recruits. Check the facts.

Muschamp has done a phenominal job recruiting the state of Florida.

[rserina]

For the foreseeable future any Florida program will lose a large quantity of in-state kids for a variety of reasons. Many of the kids are only second-, maybe third-generation Floridians and don't have much family in then state, often even being raised in or spending considerable time in other states. Florida itself is geographically uncentralized and that means proximity isn't a great benefit for any of the three programs. Then you have the fact that, even though the University of Florida is the most prominent state institution, you still don't have many second generation Florida alumni, let alone third generation, that fosters local pressure to attend school there or instills any sort of aura about the school these kids soak up from an early age.

Not only is it entirely different for LSU, Alabama, Georgia, even Tennessee or Auburn to lesser degrees, but it also means many of those schools are positioned to poach Florida preps.

I agree with the above poster that if you are getting half of the state's top 25 or so, then filling the class out with developmental players and the occasional elite target from another state, you are in pretty good shape given the quality of ball player Florida produces. The only real talent vacuum in Florida is really at quarterback and that's where we need to go out of state to find the Grossmans, Leaks, Griers, etc.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by rserina

For the foreseeable future any Florida program will lose a large quantity of in-state kids for a variety of reasons. Many of the kids are only second-, maybe third-generation Floridians and don't have much family in then state, often even being raised in or spending considerable time in other states. Florida itself is geographically uncentralized and that means proximity isn't a great benefit for any of the three programs. Then you have the fact that, even though the University of Florida is the most prominent state institution, you still don't have many second generation Florida alumni, let alone third generation, that fosters local pressure to attend school there or instills any sort of aura about the school these kids soak up from an early age.

Not only is it entirely different for LSU, Alabama, Georgia, even Tennessee or Auburn to lesser degrees, but it also means many of those schools are positioned to poach Florida preps.

I agree with the above poster that if you are getting half of the state's top 25 or so, then filling the class out with developmental players and the occasional elite target from another state, you are in pretty good shape given the quality of ball player Florida produces. The only real talent vacuum in Florida is really at quarterback and that's where we need to go out of state to find the Grossmans, Leaks, Griers, etc.

When I referred to the state of Florida being a completely different dynamic, you pretty much nailed it. Well done and well said. Seriously, I couldn't have said that any better.

The only thing I might add, is that it's very common to see kids like Kelvin Taylor, and Marcell Harris come up, so I would imagine that while their parents may say the right things to reporters about their decision being soley their own, there is probably a certain amount of pressure for them to go to Florida. And that doesn't just apply to kids who had fathers who played at UF, as you could have a prospect with a parent who merely graduated from UF who probably puts pressure on their kids to go there. But it's nothing like being from Alabama, Louisiana or South Carolina.