PP Abortions vs. firearm murders

[ATLitigator]

Originally Posted by AzCatFan

Honor and character are great, but how do you instill them? And does that help the woman who is pregnant and doesn't want to be? Does changing the law back to making abortion illegal help her? Or will it force her to attempt to terminate her pregnancy in other, more dangerous ways?

For the most part, we are on the same side. The difference is I understand that abortion is a necessary evil, especially given the alternatives. It's ugly, but then reality isn't always pretty and nice. And given the alternatives, I choose to keep abortions safe and legal, and yes, rare. And while there are plenty of resources out there, we can still do worlds better, especially when nearly 1 in 3 pregnant teenagers believe they couldn't get pregnant at the time they had sex. Clearly, the sex education message didn't get through completely.

You instill them by attaching consequences to their choices....personal responsibility
if you choose to have sex and you get pregnant, absent medical issues, you carry to term..then make a choice in the best interest of the child.

we do not need to do more education for adults, children and teens always, but adults no.....if you are an adult and you dont know how to prevent pregnancy, you are too stupid to live and dangerous to a child

[austingtr]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

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This travesty is but one aspect of the moral decay of Americans. With thousands of couples traveling to China and other third world countries to adopt a child it becomes obvious that American women cannot be bothered with the inconvenience of carrying a baby to term."

I have edited my post to change the word mothers to women. A woman who kills her unborn baby because a pregnancy is inconvenient is not, in any sense of the word, a mother.

Me first society. Me, me, me. We have no regard for others. This is why America is decaying and murdering it's own children, like in Sandy Hook. The mother of that kid who had mental problems didn't think of others, only thought about herself and her son. We are truly doomed.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by gatordavisl

I know I'm getting tired of all this manufactured outrage from Americans who insist upon stratifying the gun debate along party lines. There is no reason one can't be outraged with abortion and outraged about idiots who shoot innocents. The issues are completely exclusive.

Sure, but where are these people ?

*crickets*

[Dreamliner]

Only 999,945 more mass-shooting deaths, by the end of the year, and we equal the number of children we kill in the womb.

There's still time! There are plenty of Gun-Free Zones!

[KelticGator]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

Because unlike overpopulation, those issues exist. Other than by immigration, US birthrate is hovering barely at replacement (2.1 live births per woman), and almost every other country in the northern hemisphere is below that, some direly so. The countries with high birthrates are exporting their extras, to places where more elbow room is available. Under current trends, world population will peak around mid century and then enter net decline. The population bomb was a dud.

These issues exist? Hahahaha. Wow. That's a lot of denial. Sure lets assume that u are right. Lets assume that one wild ass guess on population growth holds true, despite the fact it's harder to model than the weather, there's many more models that conflict with it and it assumes certain short term trends will become permanent human behavior. And let's also assume that medical technology and science will halt. Tissue and organ growth that could extend life will prove fruitless, advancements in discovering the cause of aging will turn out false and cures for other diseases, illness and various medical treatments will not progress past today. But while we do that we can also assume that all OTHER technologies (besides medicine) needed to support a larger human population continue to advance. Using this type of unrealistic, selective reasoning we can proudly declare that overpopulation is OFFICIALLY no longer a problem!!!

Of course since we are living in this fantasy we can also state that all abortion victims would later go on to be suicide victims due to their questionable family environments and shooting victims are actually chosen by God to have their lives ended for some spiritual purpose we are not privy too.

I'm sure you have another study you can refer to that nature's primary means of population control (plague, famine and war) are also obsolete and soon coming to an end. This is all great news. Hooray, self-delusion rocks! It's much easier to flippantly go through life assuming every problem will fix itself. Thanks for the tip!

[JerseyGator01]

Keltic,

Weak response. I really don't know what you're getting at in terms of quoting Michi and attempting a credible response. The two don't fit.

[AustinGator1]

Originally Posted by KelticGator

These issues exist? Hahahaha. Wow. That's a lot of denial. Sure lets assume that u are right. Lets assume that one wild ass guess on population growth holds true, despite the fact it's harder to model than the weather, there's many more models that conflict with it and it assumes certain short term trends will become permanent human behavior. And let's also assume that medical technology and science will halt. Tissue and organ growth that could extend life will prove fruitless, advancements in discovering the cause of aging will turn out false and cures for other diseases, illness and various medical treatments will not progress past today. But while we do that we can also assume that all OTHER technologies (besides medicine) needed to support a larger human population continue to advance. Using this type of unrealistic, selective reasoning we can proudly declare that overpopulation is OFFICIALLY no longer a problem!!!

Of course since we are living in this fantasy we can also state that all abortion victims would later go on to be suicide victims due to their questionable family environments and shooting victims are actually chosen by God to have their lives ended for some spiritual purpose we are not privy too.

I'm sure you have another study you can refer to that nature's primary means of population control (plague, famine and war) are also obsolete and soon coming to an end. This is all great news. Hooray, self-delusion rocks! It's much easier to flippantly go through life assuming every problem will fix itself. Thanks for the tip!

The only fantasy I have read in this thread and in Keltic's reply are the various fantasies trying to justify murder.

[KelticGator]

Originally Posted by AustinGator1

The only fantasy I have read in this thread and in Keltic's reply are the various fantasies trying to justify murder.

I'm not justifying murder but rather illuminating the fact that death is part of the human condition. The idea that you can protect the unborn while ignoring the deaths and murders of those already born seems foolish and self righteous. War, famine, disease, murder, genocide, poverty, abortion, etc. All sad and regrettable but let's focus on the one with the most PR and pretend the others don't exist. We are a nation of stubborn, self-deluded hypocrites.

[AustinGator1]

Originally Posted by KelticGator

I'm not justifying murder but rather illuminating the fact that death is part of the human condition. The idea that you can protect the unborn while ignoring the deaths and murders of those already born seems foolish and self righteous. War, famine, disease, murder, genocide, poverty, abortion, etc. All sad and regrettable but let's focus on the one with the most PR and pretend the others don't exist. We are a nation of stubborn, self-deluded hypocrites.

Nobody is 'ignoring the deaths and murders of those already born'. Thanks for making more crap up in order to avoid the issue.