PP Abortions vs. firearm murders

[JerseyGator01]

Where is the liberal media and Dems on making abortion "rare" to use a word from Bill Clinton over 10 years ago?

Just some facts:

Firearm deaths in the US in 2011: 11,101 per the CDC

Number of abortions done just by Planned Parenthood in 2010: 329,445 (over 300K for the 4th year in a row).

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/10/16/p...ion-abortions/

Why doesn't the media hold Planned Parenthood and friends like the PAC called Emily's List for making abortion "rare" like it's recently putting the NRA to the fire? Emily's List has long been one of the largest PAC's in the country whose purpose is to campaign for pro-abortion women. This past election cycle, their receipts tripled that of the evil NRA ($45M to $14M).

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/topp...ype=R&filter=P

With all this concern for the slaughtering of innocence recently, why so little discussion on abortion for convenience, which is over 90% of abortions, for the past 40 years?

As the first link above notes, the number of abortions done by Planned Parenthood increased every year from 1994 to 2009. 2010 brought a slight decrease of a few thousand. This link also shows that PP got 46% of its money in its FY 2010 from taxpayers.

Again, where is the media outrage given all of this government funding?

[Dreamliner]

It's okay, at worst, sad that 329,445 children are killed by dismemberment or poisoning every year, but we're OUTRAGED and numbed when you shoot 20 of them.

A possible solution to the abortion conumdrum, something which would mobilize public outrage and political action, would be to extract the children from the womb and then shoot them.

[theorangebluewinagain]

No Outrage because you can't hear them screaming in utero as they suck out their little brains.

[g8trjax]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

It's okay, at worst, sad that 329,445 children are killed by dismemberment or poisoning every year, but we're OUTRAGED and numbed when you shoot 20 of them.

A possible solution to the abortion conumdrum, something which would mobilize public outrage and political action, would be to extract the children from the womb and then shoot them.

Give that man a cee gar.

[PIMking]

It's weird, in the womb ='s not murder, once the baby goes through the birth canal it's an American tragedy?

[108]

your issues with legal abortion can stand on its own without falsely being equated to gun deaths

[g8orbill]

killing is killing 108

[theorangebluewinagain]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

It's okay, at worst, sad that 329,445 children are killed by dismemberment or poisoning every year, but we're OUTRAGED and numbed when you shoot 20 of them.

A possible solution to the abortion conumdrum, something which would mobilize public outrage and political action, would be to extract the children from the womb and then shoot them.

What if intead of using a suction catheter to commit the murder, they used a little 1-2cm assault rifle to end the lives of these babies, now that would be a conundrum.

[wygator]

Originally Posted by 108

your issues with legal abortion can stand on its own without falsely being equated to gun deaths

Both Newtown and abortion are the slaughter of innocent children.

A little math for perspective. From the CDC:

In 2009, 784,507 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 48 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2009 was 15.1 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years and the abortion ratio was 227 abortions per 1,000 live births.

The 784,507 legal induced abortions annually is equivalent to

107 Newtown shootings...

every day...

for a year!

And the abortion rate means a child conceived in the US has a worse chance of surviving to birth than someone putting a revolver with one bullet to their head and pullling the trigger.

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealt...s/Abortion.htm

[GatorFanCF]

We are numb to abortion and its effects.
We don't see it nor hear about it, typically.
It fits well with our god of convenience; and, too many of us hypocrites have sisters, girlfriends, spouses, and daughters whom have elected to have an abortion vs. address the difficult challenges of letting the natural result if our actions come to term.
We have blood on our hands and are not willing to be transparent, nor accept the consequences of our action and inaction.

[wargunfan]

Someone please detail for me the magic which happens from one minute before birth to one minute after birth which transforms a non person into a person with all the protections of the law. One minute it's a legal? abortion; the next minute it's murder.
This travesty is but one aspect of the moral decay of Americans. With thousands of couples traveling to China and other third world countries to adopt a child it becomes obvious that American women cannot be bothered with the inconvenience of carrying a baby to term.

[ufhomerj31]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

Someone please detail for me the magic which happens from one minute before birth to one minute after birth which transforms a non person into a person with all the protections of the law. One minute it's a legal? abortion; the next minute it's murder.
This travesty is but one aspect of the moral decay of Americans. With thousands of couples traveling to China and other third world countries to adopt a child it becomes obvious that American mothers cannot be bothered with the inconvenience of carrying a baby to term.

easy, before birth, it is just a thought, no real connections, still part of the mom.
After, well, it is a living human, that's murder now.

[wygator]

Originally Posted by ufhomerj31

easy, before birth, it is just a thought, no real connections, still part of the mom.
After, well, it is a living human, that's murder now.

Just a thought?????

It is a genetically distinct human life.

[wargunfan]

"Someone please detail for me the magic which happens from one minute before birth to one minute after birth which transforms a non person into a person with all the protections of the law. One minute it's a legal? abortion; the next minute it's murder.
This travesty is but one aspect of the moral decay of Americans. With thousands of couples traveling to China and other third world countries to adopt a child it becomes obvious that American women cannot be bothered with the inconvenience of carrying a baby to term."

I have edited my post to change the word mothers to women. A woman who kills her unborn baby because a pregnancy is inconvenient is not, in any sense of the word, a mother.

[AzCatFan]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

"Someone please detail for me the magic which happens from one minute before birth to one minute after birth which transforms a non person into a person with all the protections of the law. One minute it's a legal? abortion; the next minute it's murder.
This travesty is but one aspect of the moral decay of Americans. With thousands of couples traveling to China and other third world countries to adopt a child it becomes obvious that American women cannot be bothered with the inconvenience of carrying a baby to term."

I have edited my post to change the word mothers to women. A woman who kills her unborn baby because a pregnancy is inconvenient is not, in any sense of the word, a mother.

Been busy but want to answer. The magic that happens is the number of specific individuals who can nuture the life to the next stage. For example, if a woman comes up to you who has just given birth within the hour, hands you the newborn and says she wants absolutely nothing to do with it, you would be able to raise the child. So would millions of people on the planet. But rewind 4 1/2 months and have that same woman come up to you and say she wants zero to do with the fetus and wants you to take care of it, that is impossible. At this point in development, the pregnant woman and only she can nuture the life inside her to the next phase.

Simply put, the magic is the ability for others to take care of the life. Until viability outside the womb, if we force all pregnant women to carry without recourse, we are essentially telling them they are slaves to the fetus and must submit to its rights over their own. In every other instance, parents can abdicate their rights, and the child(ren) go with family or CPS. Pregnant women should have the ability to abdicate their parental rights and responsibilities too, which unfortunately means death to the fetus, since nobody else can take a fetus and nuture it like one can with a newborn.

[g8orbill]

no azcat, what you are telling them is it is okay to kill their unborn child

[JerseyGator01]

Az,

It's not going to be impossible forever. That's a weak argument at best.

[AustinGator1]

Originally Posted by AzCatFan

Been busy but want to answer. The magic that happens is the number of specific individuals who can nuture the life to the next stage. For example, if a woman comes up to you who has just given birth within the hour, hands you the newborn and says she wants absolutely nothing to do with it, you would be able to raise the child. So would millions of people on the planet. But rewind 4 1/2 months and have that same woman come up to you and say she wants zero to do with the fetus and wants you to take care of it, that is impossible. At this point in development, the pregnant woman and only she can nuture the life inside her to the next phase.

Simply put, the magic is the ability for others to take care of the life. Until viability outside the womb, if we force all pregnant women to carry without recourse, we are essentially telling them they are slaves to the fetus and must submit to its rights over their own. In every other instance, parents can abdicate their rights, and the child(ren) go with family or CPS. Pregnant women should have the ability to abdicate their parental rights and responsibilities too, which unfortunately means death to the fetus, since nobody else can take a fetus and nuture it like one can with a newborn.

Actually, what we are telling them and the men in their lives is they have to be responsible. Somehow, some way our society has decided telling people they have to be responsible for their actions is taboo.

[surfn1080]

Originally Posted by ufhomerj31

easy, before birth, it is just a thought, no real connections, still part of the mom.
After, well, it is a living human, that's murder now.

you are kidding me right? guess you failed to realize that living human inside the womb has it own heart beat, its own thoughts, emotions, and is only living off the mom for nutrition supply. An abortion is in fact killing a living human being.

[108]

at this point, what constitutes individual human life is subjective

and therefore, there is a period that is given early on in pregnancy for a mother to terminate her pregnancy

personally, i don't even believe that there is a begging and end to life, just its shifting of forms...but that is for another discussion