End of Half; End of Game Scenarios

[gatorbogey]

gonna have to watch to see how the coaches and gators respond. we played reasonably well against arizona except for about a total of 2 to 3 minutes - where we were horrendous, by all accounts (BD's included).

have to correct that meltdown.
i would imagine emphasis in practice might be 'end game' or 'end half' scenarios.

what can be done? how do you drill/practice for this?

well, from the zona game, we need to work on the inbound play when pressured.

i know BD, and a lot of coaches, like to break the game up into 5 minute increments - so i would think it would be easy to emphasize certain aspects at the "under3" time out for each half. maybe have a couple of special offensive plays for those situations. does basketball have the equivalent of the 2-minute drill or the 4-minute offense? need to be aware of what the opposition is going to do - if they are trying to rally, all that extra pressure, etc.

basketball, of course, has that 'hold for the final shot'. for the last couple of years, we do some sort of isolation play by the pg. haven't really fared that well doing that. i'm not a big fan of those isolation plays at the end of the clock. would rather see us run our offense or at least be a bit more creative w/ our looks.

i know after a loss there's a tendency to over-react; and, heck, this was a mid-december loss on the road to a top ten team, so we have alot of time to fix whatever perceived problems exists. good to get them 'exposed' and flushed out this early in the season. maybe, by march, we're extending the lead instead of collapsing in end-game/end-of-half scenarios.

[corpgator]

One thing we can do is stop holding the ball. Every team does it, but it makes zero sense except in end game situations with a lead and the clock on your side.

At the end of a half, there's no reason to hold for a stupid isolation contested shot. If you run your offense and they come down the floor and score, so what? We need to run our offense and not let teams blitz the guy running down the clock.

But, I say this every time I watch almost any basketball game. It's a horrible epidemic that plagues all of basketball. The only player on the planet that can dribble out the clock and score is Chris Paul. His is the only team, and this jas held consistent from NO to LA, whose offensive efficiency does not go down in crunch time.

So unless we're signing the next CP3, we need to cut it out and run the offense.

[akaGatorhoops]

It's Erv's fault.

[ufgator4ever]

Originally Posted by akaGatorhoops

It's Erv's fault.

Would have to rewatch in slo-mo, but boynton did seem posessed in the last minutes.

Of a bigger concern, I'm hoping boynton hasn't caught Nelson-itis for this senior year.

[gatorfansrule]

Originally Posted by corpgator

One thing we can do is stop holding the ball. Every team does it, but it makes zero sense except in end game situations with a lead and the clock on your side.

At the end of a half, there's no reason to hold for a stupid isolation contested shot. If you run your offense and they come down the floor and score, so what? We need to run our offense and not let teams blitz the guy running down the clock.

But, I say this every time I watch almost any basketball game. It's a horrible epidemic that plagues all of basketball. The only player on the planet that can dribble out the clock and score is Chris Paul. His is the only team, and this jas held consistent from NO to LA, whose offensive efficiency does not go down in crunch time.

So unless we're signing the next CP3, we need to cut it out and run the offense.

I disagree. It's frustrating to watch, but it makes sense. If you run out the clock and take a last second shot, the chances the opponent scores is basically 0%. The chance of you scoring is maybe 25%. However, if you run a play, the chance you score is whatever your shooting percentage is, most likely around 50%. However, the chance that the opponent gets a score from either the time remaining after you score or after a rebound, steal, etc. rises greatly.

Basically what I'm saying is if you hold the ball you have nothing to lose and you have a chance to increase your score. If you don't hold the ball you do have something to lose, possibly no score by your team and 2 or 3 points for the other team.

[gatorfansrule]

Originally Posted by ufgator4ever

Would have to rewatch in slo-mo, but boynton did seem posessed in the last minutes.

Of a bigger concern, I'm hoping boynton hasn't caught Nelson-itis for this senior year.

I'm concerned that point guard duty has hurt Boynton's play. Time to make Wilbekin the starting PG and move Boynton back to the 2 spot. Let Rosario come off the bench as an offensive spark plug like Ginobili did for the Spurs a few year back.

[REM08]

Brockway's thoughts concerning this thread (maybe a stretch):

Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops

Last night's loss dropped Billy Donovan to 58-74 in games decided by 5 pts or less in 17 seasons at UF.

Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops

Donovan is unquestionably one of best coaches in country but late game management always has been an Achilles heel.

The first tweet is somewhat loaded. Lots of different variables make up a stat like that. The second tweet is interesting though. I know its something I've seen him criticized for on this site.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Originally Posted by REM08

Brockway's thoughts concerning this thread (maybe a stretch):

The first tweet is somewhat loaded. Lots of different variables make up a stat like that. The second tweet is interesting though. I know its something I've seen him criticized for on this site.

I love how Brockaway can never seem to get any of his own original commentary.

I understand the criticism, but I'm one of those people who believes BD has forgotten more than I'll ever know about x's and o's and while there are times I don't always agree with lineups, plays, etc, I wonder how much criticism there is of Coach K, Boeheim and even Roy Boy.

I'm not saying a coach is above criticism. Far from it. But after EVERY loss, this board blows up with talk about "something has to change" and "Boynton is becoming Nelson" or "our starting lineup needs to be". Yes, I get it's a message board and the whole point is to have a dialogue of opinions. It just often becomes more of a bitch fest with people who seem to know more than the head coach with 2 NCs.

[Hill_Raiser]

Originally Posted by UFG8rGuy3283

I understand the criticism, but I'm one of those people who believes BD has forgotten more than I'll ever know about x's and o's.

100% with you and there is no one I'd rather have at the helm, but end game scenarios have not been out strong point for a long time. End of half, end of game holding for the last shot, I never have a good feeling.

[108]

We have nothing to lose at this point to try something else

I'd much rather get the ball down low then expect a 6-2 guard to make something happen on his own

Boynton has never been strong at taking people off the dribble

[akaGatorhoops]

Let's remember, the plan was for scottie to start at pg... but his suspension changed things a bit. I think we will see scottie return to the starting lineup. i am not sure if this moves rosario or wy to the 6th man.

[corpgator]

Originally Posted by gatorfansrule

I disagree. It's frustrating to watch, but it makes sense. If you run out the clock and take a last second shot, the chances the opponent scores is basically 0%. The chance of you scoring is maybe 25%. However, if you run a play, the chance you score is whatever your shooting percentage is, most likely around 50%. However, the chance that the opponent gets a score from either the time remaining after you score or after a rebound, steal, etc. rises greatly.

Basically what I'm saying is if you hold the ball you have nothing to lose and you have a chance to increase your score. If you don't hold the ball you do have something to lose, possibly no score by your team and 2 or 3 points for the other team.

With the small amount of time the other will get the ball back after a team actually runs their offense, their chances wouldn't go up that much. Going from 15% to 50%, seems like 15% is about our end of game conversion rate, for us and only 10% for them, would be a pretty good trade off.

And we saw first hand how not running the offense can go bad when they stole the fall and scored.

[gatorfansrule]

Originally Posted by corpgator

With the small amount of time the other will get the ball back after a team actually runs their offense, their chances wouldn't go up that much. Going from 15% to 50%, seems like 15% is about our end of game conversion rate, for us and only 10% for them, would be a pretty good trade off.

And we saw first hand how not running the offense can go bad when they stole the fall and scored.

You have to take into account steal/turnovers if you are going to run a regular offense. In that case the other team would have more time depending on when the turnover occurred and of course there could also be a turnover and a run out which leads to an easy bucket for the other team.

[maleko83]

Originally Posted by akaGatorhoops

It's Erv's fault [b]said Dan Werner[./B]

Fixed it for you.

[bullish]

Billy could grow if he watched a little film of teams that can close out like Butler, Mich, or Duke this year. Watch what they do at close end of game scenarios. Try something different before conference scheduling starts. Kenny is good with the ball but he got it stripped. If we were playing Butler, yes Butler, their guards would have taken it away also. I seem to remember they got us at the end of a collapse also. Just try some other end of game and in bounding the ball schemes. If you keep trying the same thing, results will be mixed when playing good teams.

Maybe Matt McCall can get films, analysis them, and provide some ideas for Billy. We have a good team and coach, but we can always improve. We lost to a very good team when playing at their home. They were hacking unbelievable. Their Center should have fouled out in the first half. The first 10 minutes they didn't call a foul on him but in the next 10 minutes three. I guess Billy ask for a little relief from the mugging.

Losing can help you stay humble and improve. Just look at Kentucky. They are losing on purpose so they can sneak up on the Gators and win the SEC for the umtenth time. LOL I hope we learn from this loss. We played well most of both half's but couldn't bring it home. When we get to the NCAA tournament, there will be no time to learn end of half plays or in-bounding. Here's to winning the SEC which is no easy task and getting to the final four!

[gatordd]

Originally Posted by akaGatorhoops

Let's remember, the plan was for scottie to start at pg... but his suspension changed things a bit. I think we will see scottie return to the starting lineup. i am not sure if this moves rosario or wy to the 6th man.

I don't think we can afford to bench Will.. KB needs to move back to the 2 so we can get his production from a scoring perspective.

I don't understand Rosario, he can be so good and so bad all in back to back plays. He's been more under control lately so I'm happy he has gotten his minutes.

I think we have to roll with Scottie,KB,Will,Murph,Pat though... it's our best lineup