Gun Control

[Minister_of_Information]

jdrgator is correct, although as he's already conceded it's largely a moot point. And it is also inarguable that the perpetrator's access to high capacity firearms is a factor in both the possibility and the appeal of these massacres. Though that is not to say that these massacres justify broad spectrum restrictive policies.

[jdrgator]

I like making moot points. I've gotten pretty good at it, haha

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by jdrgator

I like making moot points. I've gotten pretty good at it, haha

Intellectual integrity is its own reward, as you quite clearly know. And moot points can have important implications and corollaries.

[phatGator]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Pearl, Mississippi High School shooting (from Wiki):

Then Myrick demanded "Why did you shoot my kids?" to which Woodham replied, "Life has wronged me, sir."

We've created a narcissistic society. People think life is all about them. It's incomprehensible that reality television is so popular. Nothing more than watching the banal actions of self-absorbed idiots.

We've created people who feel that their pain is the center of the universe. Everyone needs to respond to their pain. Any pain they themselves cause is to them inconsequential.

Throw in constant depictions of violence all around in movies, television, music, and video games. Those same media also preach instant gratification. But we've removed all teaching of morality and ethics from schools for fear it might sound like religion.

Is it really any surprise we get people who feel they have been wronged snapping and making others to "pay the price" for their pain?

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by phatGator

We've created a narcissistic society. People think life is all about them. It's incomprehensible that reality television is so popular. Nothing more than watching the banal actions of self-absorbed idiots.

We've created people who feel that their pain is the center of the universe. Everyone needs to respond to their pain. Any pain they themselves cause is to them inconsequential.

Throw in constant depictions of violence all around in movies, television, music, and video games. Those same media also preach instant gratification. But we've removed all teaching of morality and ethics from schools for fear it might sound like religion.

Is it really any surprise we get people who feel they have been wronged snapping and making others to "pay the price" for their pain?

Great post can I steal it?

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by phatGator

We've created a narcissistic society. People think life is all about them. It's incomprehensible that reality television is so popular. Nothing more than watching the banal actions of self-absorbed idiots.

We've created people who feel that their pain is the center of the universe. Everyone needs to respond to their pain. Any pain they themselves cause is to them inconsequential.

Throw in constant depictions of violence all around in movies, television, music, and video games. Those same media also preach instant gratification. But we've removed all teaching of morality and ethics from schools for fear it might sound like religion.

Is it really any surprise we get people who feel they have been wronged snapping and making others to "pay the price" for their pain?

Ummm you seem to have forgotten your history. Slavery, wars, Hiroshima, etc. Yes there's more violence on TV today, but in the past there was more violence in real life. World war 1 and 2, Nazis and gas chambers, Selma, genocide etc. People died by the thousands on a weekly basis.

You talk about the banning of morality in schools. What's more moral than teaching kids that we are all equal under the law, no matter who you love? It's you guys who are saying women ought to be paid less than men, its you guys who want to profile people based on whether they are Muslims or Mexicans...and you talk about morals.

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by Spurffelbow833

Seriously, the problem is the loss of community. If people conducted their daily lives under manageable duress as Victoria Soto conducted the last moments of hers under unimaginable duress, there would be a lot less of what happened Friday in Newtown. We are all our brother's keepers.

Maybe the dead teacher should have secured her arsenal so that her deranged kid would not access then. Why not start with that? If she did that Victoria Soto would be in class this morning teaching her students.

[g8trjax]

And when the ban is implemented, men with guns, will come to take yours away.

[gator0254]

Oregon Mall - did not shoot over fear of hitting others in the background


http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-ma...183593571.html

Doesn't specify that he stopped it but other places/links claim the shooter left and shot himself after seeing the civilian with the weapon

http://now.msn.com/nick-meli-who-had...on-mall-killer

[phatGator]

Originally Posted by Minister_of_Information

Great post can I steal it?

I'd be honored.

[phatGator]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Ummm you seem to have forgotten your history. Slavery, wars, Hiroshima, etc. Yes there's more violence on TV today, but in the past there was more violence in real life. World war 1 and 2, Nazis and gas chambers, Selma, genocide etc. People died by the thousands on a weekly basis.

You talk about the banning of morality in schools. What's more moral than teaching kids that we are all equal under the law, no matter who you love? It's you guys who are saying women ought to be paid less than men, its you guys who want to profile people based on whether they are Muslims or Mexicans...and you talk about morals.

The violence of real life was not created for entertainment.

I have no clue why you assign those ideas to me, since I've never posted anything on either subject.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by phatGator

The violence of real life was not created for entertainment.

I have no clue why you assign those ideas to me, since I've never posted anything on either subject.

Apparently because he doesn't know what in the world he is talking about, or what incoherent point he is trying to make.

[philnotfil]

Someone help me find the consistency of thought here:
We shouldn't have gun control because when a drunk driver kills someone we don't take away everyone else's cars.

Because a terrorist had a bomb in their shoes, everyone has to take their shoes off when they get on an airplane.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by gator0254

Oregon Mall - did not shoot over fear of hitting others in the background


http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-ma...183593571.html

Doesn't specify that he stopped it but other places/links claim the shooter left and shot himself after seeing the civilian with the weapon

http://now.msn.com/nick-meli-who-had...on-mall-killer

Yep. Don't hear much about this

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by philnotfil

Someone help me find the consistency of thought here:
We shouldn't have gun control because when a drunk driver kills someone we don't take away everyone else's cars.

Because a terrorist had a bomb in their shoes, everyone has to take their shoes off when they get on an airplane.

We should not have gun control becasue it doesn't work.

Consider this;

Gun-free zones have been the most popular response to previous mass killings. But many law-enforcement officials say they are actually counterproductive. “Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a ‘helpless-victim zone,’” says Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff. “Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage,” Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting. Indeed, there have been many instances — from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. — where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter......


With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.

There is no evidence that private holders of concealed-carry permits (which are either easy to obtain or not even required in more than 40 states) are any more irresponsible with firearms than the police. According to a 2005 to 2007 study by researchers at the University of Wisconsin and Bowling Green State University, police nationwide were convicted of firearms violations at least at a 0.002 percent annual rate. That’s about the same rate as holders of carry permits in the states with “shall issue” laws.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Here is an example where experiences have been contrary to some of the opinion expressed in this thread;

Texas school where teachers carry guns prepared to protect students

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/12...#storylink=cpy

[Dreamliner]

Well, we can't just sit here yammering about it on the internet, we need to panic! We need to run around in circles, waving our hands and doing things because:

*Mass-shootings are happening more and more every day.

*Because Connecticut doesn't already have stringent gun laws.

*Because we need to take the guns away from people who didn't do this.

*Because 26 killed in a mass-shooting is worse than 26 individual murder cases.

*Because it's worse when it happens at a school than at a post office.

*Because the lives of children are more valuable than the lives of adults.

*Because while it's "Sad, but oh well" to kill brown people (including little brown people) overseas, it's an outrage to see little Americans killed.

*Because, since virtually all mass-shootings in recent history have occurred in Gun-Free Zones, we have a shortage of Gun-Free Zones.

*And finally, because you're more dead when killed by a semi-automatic weapon than when killed by another type of weapon.

[nawlinsgator]

Originally Posted by PIMking

dead is dead, people died using guns or being shot by guns and people died by cars. Doesn't matter because they're dead./rant

I see your point. I hop on my glock to get to work everyday.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by nawlinsgator

I see your point. I hop on my glock to get to work everyday.

If we all took glocks to work I suspect a lot of lives would be saved over driving nearly two-ton vehicles at high speed.

[mocgator]

I think all liberals should put this sign in front of their homes or on the doors of their apartments today..

"There are no guns or weapons at this premises"


Good luck to you all...