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sleeze · 10-15-2012, 06:58 PM

As far as using the pass to break the press there is nothing wrong with it.....

In the article Donovan says he wants to get P. Young down the floor and good deep position under the basket.......I think using the pass when teams trap will be the best way to get Young in position to score/offensive rebound.

gatordd · 10-17-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sleeze

As far as using the pass to break the press there is nothing wrong with it.....

In the article Donovan says he wants to get P. Young down the floor and good deep position under the basket.......I think using the pass when teams trap will be the best way to get Young in position to score/offensive rebound.

Yes!!!! Scottie doesn't have to break the press by himself like Erv. He just has to take care of the ball and all will be okay.

**jeffphillips21** · 10-17-2012, 08:36 PM

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Yes!!!! Scottie doesn't have to break the press by himself like Erv. He just has to take care of the ball and all will be okay.

Exactly! Not every PG has to be a 1-man press-breaker like Erv was...just effective and make smart passes

NorthCaptivaGator · 10-17-2012, 08:42 PM

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Yes!!!! Scottie doesn't have to break the press by himself like Erv. He just has to take care of the ball and all will be okay.

Unfortunately taking care of the ball against the press, has, thus far, been a bit of an issue for SW, granted, he was a 17 year old freshman and he certainly has gotten better at it but still a bit of a concern

madgator · 10-17-2012, 10:14 PM

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Reading the posts about Wilbekin makes me think that if John Stockton was running the point at UF there would be people complaining about his lack of scoring and his inability (or reluctance) to shoot off the dribble.

Shooting off the dribble is a lower percentage shot compared to catch and shoot with your feet set. The PG's job is to maximize the number of points per possession for the team. Late in the shot clock a deep shot off the dribble might be a good shot, but early in the shot clock it probably isn't unless you are Larry Bird and last time I checked he wasn't the PG for Indiana State or the Celtics.

After watching Wilbekin for two years I think that he is a little bit gun shy about taking shots 20+ seconds into the shot clock that he has a good chance of making. This is a minor correction. I trust the coaches and Wilbekin's coachability on this.

rep for you sir!

GatorLurker · 12-09-2012, 08:25 PM

Bump.

Anything new to say on this topic?

madgator · 12-10-2012, 12:32 AM

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Unfortunately taking care of the ball against the press, has, thus far, been a bit of an issue for SW, granted, he was a 17 year old freshman and he certainly has gotten better at it but still a bit of a concern

the '04'ers had no issue dealing with press defenses through passing.

the perfect fast break is when the ball never touches the floor and you end up with a layup/dunk.

never understood why this "dribble through a press" became an expectation. it can be a nice luxury to have no doubt. But if you ask a coach which team he would be more reluctant to press against; a team that passes through it or one that has a guy dribble through it. I would be willing to wager that just about every coach will not want to press the team that passes through.

A passed ball travels a lot faster than any human dribbling it.

oneatatime · 12-10-2012, 04:55 AM

True, but it has been possibly the single most effective shot in Donovan's offense over the years. That's why point guards have scored at such a high rate. Nelson, Roberson, Green, Calathes, and Walker all had seasons of 14+ ppg in no small part because Donovan gives the one the freedom and the confidence to take that shot if it is there. That is after all what made Donovan so special in Pitino's system.[/quote]

That may have been the intention, but in the case of Walker, I wonder how many points Walker scored hitting foul shots in the last 5 minutes of close games.

We haven't seen it yet, but if it comes down to it this year, I hope Scottie is up to the task.

gatorbogey · 12-10-2012, 06:46 AM

that's an important key - some of the end game wins involved alot of Ewalk, having the ball when they opposition fouled. he was the confident one that would take that responsibility, and usually answered the call.

GatorRade · 12-10-2012, 08:01 AM

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the '04'ers had no issue dealing with press defenses through passing.

the perfect fast break is when the ball never touches the floor and you end up with a layup/dunk.

never understood why this "dribble through a press" became an expectation. it can be a nice luxury to have no doubt. But if you ask a coach which team he would be more reluctant to press against; a team that passes through it or one that has a guy dribble through it. I would be willing to wager that just about every coach will not want to press the team that passes through.

A passed ball travels a lot faster than any human dribbling it.

I'm guessing the issue has to do with turnovers. If you look at how Florida gets steals off the press, its almost always from passes of people that had to pick up their dribble. That doesn't mean that passes will definitely lead to turnovers, but certainly your chances of turnover increase when you have no choice but to pass.