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themistocles · 10-05-2012, 03:57 PM

College Basketball = UNKNOWNS.

After all, look at KY, they are looking at 80% unknowns to start every year.

Some guys develop amazingly, some solidly, some moderately, some very little and some not at all from year to year.

This year's team, being very experienced (7 upper classmen) has far, far, far fewer question marks than most teams at this point in time, and with several new possibilities in Ogbuze, Frazier, Graham and Walker.

This is the type of team a coach likes to have on the floor.

Nonetheless, as always, it will be interesting, and, as many wise BB people have said through the years: "It ain't whose starting that's important, it's whose on the floor when the chips are down."

**ThePlayer** · 10-05-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gatordd

3 guard... Wilby Boynton Rosario Murph and Pat

Almost...but I vote:

Rosario (if he matured)
Boynton
Yeguete
Murphy
Young

Wilby leaves us a little vulnerable full-time..IMO

GatorPlanet · 10-06-2012, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePlayer

Almost...but I vote:

Rosario (if he matured)
Boynton
Yeguete
Murphy
Young

Wilby leaves us a little vulnerable full-time..IMO

But who is your point guard in that group? From what I've seen Rosario isn't much better at ballhandling than Wilbekin, and is certainly not a pass-first kind of guy. And Boynton has played it some but seems a lot more effective at the 2-spot.

rserina · 10-06-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorPlanet

But who is your point guard in that group? From what I've seen Rosario isn't much better at ballhandling than Wilbekin, and is certainly not a pass-first kind of guy. And Boynton has played it some but seems a lot more effective at the 2-spot.

And you three. I can't quite recall Donovan every playing with two shooting guards, two high post fours, and a five.

GatorsGators · 10-08-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlayer

Almost...but I vote:

Rosario (if he matured)
Boynton
Yeguete
Murphy
Young

Wilby leaves us a little vulnerable full-time..IMO

Rosario at point would be a disaster, imo.

InstiGATOR1 · 10-08-2012, 05:32 PM

The bottom line is that the 7 SRs and JRs are likely to play the vast majority of the minutes. Boynton, Prather, Rosario and Wilbekin will likely handle the 1-3 positions and Murphy, Prather, Young and Yeguete will likely handle the 3 through 5 positions.

dalwood13 · 10-08-2012, 06:07 PM

Anyone who thinks Yeguete is going to play the three for us, has no understanding of our offensive system.

My best guess for the opening starting 5:

Wilbekin
Boynton
Rosario
Murphy
Young

I think Boynton and Rosario will also get some time at the point, especially later in the season.

apkguitar1991 · 10-09-2012, 01:42 AM

I see Pat, Murph, Boynton, and Wilbekin being our staple guys in most situations.

For the fifth spot I think it will really depend on who we're playing, what matchups we have on the court, and the context of how the game is going. I like Yeguete the most and I really see Rosario as strictly a 2 to sub for Boynton when he goes to the bench or moves to point when Wilbekin takes a rest. I don't really know what to think about Prather right now, but I hope he continues to build on the end of last season and can provide solid minutes as well.

1 - Wilbekin, Boynton
2 - Boynton, Rosario
3 - Yeguete, Prather
4 - Murphy, Yeguete
5 - Young, Murphy

That doesn't take into account any of our new guys stepping up though. Not sure what to think about Larson either.

InstiGATOR1 · 10-09-2012, 03:56 AM

I generally agree, but I see Rosario getting minutes at both the SF and SG spots. I see Yeguete as PF backing up Murphy and when. Murphy is playing some minutes backing up Young.

StrangeGator · 10-09-2012, 11:05 AM

This makes the most sense to me…

1 - Wilbekin, Boynton
2 - Boynton, Rosario
3 - Rosario, Prather
4 - Murphy, Yeguette
5 - Young, Larson

**Osiris_DPM** · 10-09-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StrangeGator

This makes the most sense to me…

1 - Wilbekin, Boynton
2 - Boynton, Rosario
3 - Rosario, Prather
4 - Murphy, Yeguette
5 - Young, Larson

This is a good call

**tampajack1** · 10-09-2012, 12:01 PM

I see KB at the point and Scottie at the 2.

rserina · 10-09-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tampajack1

I see KB at the point and Scottie at the 2.

Why? I know Boynton has been quoted as playing some one, but I just don't see it for long stretches. His game has been catch and shoot with an ability to get that little jump stop off the bounce. He has never been a great pick and roll player or someone who creates off the bounce for others, despite being a smart ballhandler and passer. Then again, Wilbekin hasn't proven he can shoot off the high ball screen either and that may be the single most effective option in our offense when run effectively.

ReggieNelson · 10-09-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tampajack1

I see KB at the point and Scottie at the 2.

i hope you are blind then.

ReggieNelson · 10-09-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by StrangeGator

This makes the most sense to me…

1 - Wilbekin, Boynton
2 - Boynton, Rosario
3 - Rosario, Prather
4 - Murphy, Yeguette
5 - Young, Larson

it does to me as well. ideally i'd want prather to start due to his size & length. mike ro is a major liability on the court.

UFnuts · 10-09-2012, 10:56 PM

First of all, WY isn't a small forward. With that out of the way, I see an 8-man rotation:

Point - Wilbekin / BO (two players sharing minutes at one position)
Wings - KB / Prather / Rosario (three players sharing minutes at two positions)
Bigs - Murph / Young / WY (three players sharing minutes at two positions)

This assumes that BO is ready to play, otherwise I assume that KB is going to get more minutes at the 1.

**gatorrick1** · 10-09-2012, 11:25 PM

I can tell you with Billy who is in at the end of games is more important then who starts. I believe Rosario gets less minutes on this squad then most everyone is thinking. Billy doesn't trust his decision making on offense or his grit on defense. He is a ball stopper on O and that drives Billy crazy. Our lineup that gets the most minutes will have a lot to do with our opponent and game plan. Billy likes some of the versatility of this team and my guess is early on you will see many different combinations. The key to the season will be how the players mesh and how unselfish they are. At the end of the day right now the five players Billy trusts most are SW,KB,WY,EM and PY. Those will be the five players with the most minutes when the season is over. By the way not saying that's our starting five only those five will get more PT then any other players.

tupacbiff · 10-10-2012, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorrick1

I can tell you with Billy who is in at the end of games is more important then who starts. I believe Rosario gets less minutes on this squad then most everyone is thinking. Billy doesn't trust his decision making on offense or his grit on defense. He is a ball stopper on O and that drives Billy crazy. Our lineup that gets the most minutes will have a lot to do with our opponent and game plan. Billy likes some of the versatility of this team and my guess is early on you will see many different combinations. The key to the season will be how the players mesh and how unselfish they are. At the end of the day right now the five players Billy trusts most are SW,KB,WY,EM and PY. Those will be the five players with the most minutes when the season is over. By the way not saying that's our starting five only those five will get more PT then any other players.

Great point regarding its about who finishes. Most coaches give a lot more credence to who starts. They don't care about who is on the floor in crucial end of game situations only who starts. It's quite a theory because they hope to get a 2 pt lead and just ride it out but billy realized you can win the game at the end. He is light yrs ahead of the other coAches because of this.

**gatorrick1** · 10-10-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tupacbiff

Great point regarding its about who finishes. Most coaches give a lot more credence to who starts. They don't care about who is on the floor in crucial end of game situations only who starts. It's quite a theory because they hope to get a 2 pt lead and just ride it out but billy realized you can win the game at the end. He is light yrs ahead of the other coAches because of this.

This is the most ignorant post I have seen in a while Tupac.

Your right, only idiots with names like Popovich, Carlisle, Brooks, Coach k etc. etc. don't always start their best player's. Due to things like foul distribution, balance on the floor, chemistry, pshycology etc.. Coaches many times do not start their best five guy's. With this Gator team we have three legit post players so due to foul distribution and minute distribution Billy may elect to not start WY,EM and PY. However, during the most crucial moments of the game I believe Billy will many times have those three on the floor together because I know that's who he trusts. Sad that I had to explain that to you. For the rest of you, I enjoyed the thread and only wanted to add that from my experience who starts isn't nearly as important as who will play when the game is on the line or who Billy might believe is our best line up.

tupacbiff · 10-10-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorrick1

This is the most ignorant post I have seen in a while Tupac.

Your right, only idiots with names like Popovich, Carlisle, Brooks, Coach k etc. etc. don't always start their best player's. Due to things like foul distribution, balance on the floor, chemistry, pshycology etc.. Coaches many times do not start their best five guy's. With this Gator team we have three legit post players so due to foul distribution and minute distribution Billy may elect to not start WY,EM and PY. However, during the most crucial moments of the game I believe Billy will many times have those three on the floor together because I know that's who he trusts. Sad that I had to explain that to you. For the rest of you, I enjoyed the thread and only wanted to add that from my experience who starts isn't nearly as important as who will play when the game is on the line or who Billy might believe is our best line up.

Ignorant or sarcastic?