Rimmer Decommits

[ETGator1]

Well then, this turns out to be good news for UF. When does the good news come out?

[REM08]

Originally Posted by CoachSayre

We've mentioned different levels of offers and sometimes kids/PARENTS don't understand them. Just because we offer you doesn't mean not conditional on other players. We are VERY upfront with what is going on

If this is the case, who else that UF has offered has gotten one of these lower/conditional offers (who else on the current roster also)? I'm not saying I don't believe you, just that if you're privy to this kind of information, you'd probably know ahead of times who has what kind of offer. You'd save lots of posters around here countless hours trying to do scholarship math because they'd already know who has an offer that is solid and who has one that can be altered.

Otherwise, its still possible this appears as an easy excuse to give after a player loses his scholarship. I mean, none of us were there. Who could contest it?

[ugaGator]

Originally Posted by REM08

If this is the case, who else that UF has offered has gotten one of these lower/conditional offers (who else on the current roster also)? I'm not saying I don't believe you, just that if you're privy to this kind of information, you'd probably know ahead of times who has what kind of offer. You'd save lots of posters around here countless hours trying to do scholarship math because they'd already know who has an offer that is solid and who has one that can be altered.

Otherwise, its still possible this appears as an easy excuse to give after a player loses his scholarship. I mean, none of us were there. Who could contest it?

Maybe this isn't something that's supposed to be public. I mean just because CS is privy to the info doesn't mean we all should. There's a lot of things coaches don't tell the public. It's like telling we everyone we dropped a kid 'cause he didn't cut it academically...

It just won't happen.

[don23lucia]

ESPN.com has confirmed that power forward Schuyler Rimmer (Orlando, Fla./Boone) is no longer committed to Florida.

Rimmer was expected to walk on in Gainesville and then receive a scholarship as a sophomore. Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Stanford and South Carolina are schools after the three-star player.

Billy Donovan's Gators remain the No. 1 class on ESPN.com with commitments from top-10 players Kasey Hill (Eustis, Fla./Montverde Academy) and Chris Walker (Bonifay, Fla./Holmes County).


Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas...#ixzz26peVk0Ta

[REM08]

Originally Posted by ugaGator

Maybe this isn't something that's supposed to be public. I mean just because CS is privy to the info doesn't mean we all should. There's a lot of things coaches don't tell the public. It's like telling we everyone we dropped a kid 'cause he didn't cut it academically...

It just won't happen.

Yeah, I imagine there might be some cases where it might not be in the best interest of the kid. Thats certainly possible.

[CoachSayre]

Originally Posted by REM08

If this is the case, who else that UF has offered has gotten one of these lower/conditional offers (who else on the current roster also)? I'm not saying I don't believe you, just that if you're privy to this kind of information, you'd probably know ahead of times who has what kind of offer. You'd save lots of posters around here countless hours trying to do scholarship math because they'd already know who has an offer that is solid and who has one that can be altered.

Otherwise, its still possible this appears as an easy excuse to give after a player loses his scholarship. I mean, none of us were there. Who could contest it?

Sorry I don't comment on specific recruits. Yes, most schools do conditional offers and unconditional offers. Otherwise you could only offer maybe two to three players per year at a time. So you would have to wait until your top guys turned you down or take a different player. It's one reason on Rivals or Scout there are billions of kids with UK offers or UF or whatever. Some kids think just because you invite them down or you are talking about how to fit in that they have an offer.

[kygator]

Originally Posted by REM08

If this is the case, who else that UF has offered has gotten one of these lower/conditional offers (who else on the current roster also)? I'm not saying I don't believe you, just that if you're privy to this kind of information, you'd probably know ahead of times who has what kind of offer. You'd save lots of posters around here countless hours trying to do scholarship math because they'd already know who has an offer that is solid and who has one that can be altered.

Otherwise, its still possible this appears as an easy excuse to give after a player loses his scholarship. I mean, none of us were there. Who could contest it?

Have you never heard of conditional offers? The way you phrased the question makes it sound like this is a new concept to you.

As far as current players that had conditional offers, Dillon Graham's offer was based on Beal turning pro. He did declare for the NBA and Graham received a full athletic scholarship. However, he would have had to pay his own way, at least partially, if Beal returned.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by CoachSayre

It's one reason on Rivals or Scout there are billions of kids with UK offers or UF or whatever. Some kids think just because you invite them down or you are talking about how to fit in that they have an offer.

I think recruiting services really are a thorn in the side of the coaches for reasons like this. Public commitments aren't always orchestrated by the coaches and they can't comment on them at any rate, so when a kid says he is going to Florida the public has no way of confirming that to be (or not to be) the case. It has happened a number of times in football over the years.

[your_perfect_enemy]

While I can only assume this means there is a better player we have a very good shot of landing, which is obviously great, my concern is he seemed like he was going to be a 4 year player who would improve each year while providing some consistency and leadership for the following classes to learn from after the early entries leave.

[REM08]

Originally Posted by your_perfect_enemy

While I can only assume this means there is a better player we have a very good shot of landing, which is obviously great, my concern is he seemed like he was going to be a 4 year player who would improve each year while providing some consistency and leadership for the following classes to learn from after the early entries leave.

It really depends on who ends up getting his scholarship. If its someone like Randle, you wont' be sorry. Not only do you get Randle for a year (who likely will be performing at a higher level as a freshmen than Rimmer would have as a senior), you're getting an additional scholarship opened up for the three years after Randle would be gone also. I presume this is why Rimmers offer (per Goodman I think) was going to be scholarship for his sophomore through senior years).

Having roster stability has value and I'm not trying to diminish that. But you can't always compare 1 year of someone versus 4 years of someone else. In reality its potentially (although unlikely) 4 years of Rimmer or 1 year of 4 different Randles. Obviously this is the extreme. Maybe you get a year of someone like Randle and then a 3 or 4 year player after him.

[REM08]

Brockway (Tupac's favorite if I remember correctly) seems to have an opinion on the matter:

Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops

According to numerous reports, Florida pulled fully scholly offer to Rimmer and asked him to walk on to pursue another player. Ethical?

Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops

Florida pulled similar maneuver in past to Gary Clark and DeShawn Painter, offering schollys and pulling offers due to playing ability.

Citing "numerous reports" strikes me as being akin to "anonymous sources." However, he makes the statement (unless he mistyped) that it was a full offer that was pulled.

Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops

Just got off phone w Rimmer, wouldn't get into reasons why he de-committed from UF, wanted to keep it between himself, coaches, family.

Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops

Rimmer said it was tough decision to make de-committing from UF, but better do it now than if it was too late. Dreamed of being a Gator.

[StrangeGator]

This never looks good, even though the family is being tight lipped about it. But this is how things are done in big time basketball programs. I'm sure UF will end up with a better prospect, and Rimmer will end up getting a full ride at a school that will offer him more playing time.

[swampgas44]

Brockway often leans toward the negative when he doesn't know the complete story. I really get tired of reading his crap. His article about why we should not play a game on the USS Bataan was a perfect example of his B.S.

[tupacbiff]

So brockway again makes things up. We know the staff didn't comment and then he admits rimmer refused to give him details. Yet he cites unknown sources what a hack.

The good news is with those four tweets he has exceeded his work capacity for two months. We won't be hearing from him again unless he decides to copy and paste something from the forum. He should be embarrassed at his utter lack of skills and work ethic.

[Singaporegator]

Originally Posted by tupacbiff

The good news is with those four tweets he has exceeded his work capacity for two months. We won't be hearing from him again unless he decides to copy and paste something from the forum. He should be embarrassed at his utter lack of skills and work ethic.

Fully agree. It is amazing to me that he gets paid (assuming he does) to not write articles about the Gators. He is not the only incredibly lazy journalist on the Sun Staff but he is the leader in the clubhouse.

[don23lucia]

Originally Posted by Singaporegator

Fully agree. It is amazing to me that he gets paid (assuming he does) to not write articles about the Gators. He is not the only incredibly lazy journalist on the Sun Staff but he is the leader in the clubhouse.

I do more investigative work then him, how do I get paid for this like him lol. I still don't think its much of a loss, and whoever runs onlygators on twitter seems to think that BillyD wants another big I agreed with him, but its not Rimmer its Parker, Randle, or Iverson or maybe even embid.

[InstiGATOR1]

Well, I tend to agree that Brockway does not fully understand what he writes about. Still in Brockway's defense often someone does not talk, but does talk off the record. That could be UF representatives or someone in Rimmer's camp.

[kygator]

It would be disappointing if true. I'm not against pulling an offer if the player has not committed yet. However, it shouldn't be pulled after accepting a commitment unless the player does something that warrants it (bad grades, legal trouble, etc.). Of course, it could have just been a misunderstanding. UF won't comment on it and it sounds like Rimmer isn't either.

[tommyuf21]

Here's the thing, they can't comment so we don't know the whole story. Was this a conditional offer as has been speculated on? If so, then Rimmer knew what he was getting into and did so willingly. Since it was pulled at this time, at least Schuyler has plenty of time to make the best decision for himself and his future. Who knows, perhaps he may decide to walk on at UF in any event and have three perhaps four years taken care of on scholly.

Regardless, I hope the young man is happy with what he ultimately decides to do. It is better that he knows now, as opposed to having to transfer down the line and have to leave a school and friends and sit out a year.

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by tupacbiff

So brockway again makes things up. We know the staff didn't comment and then he admits rimmer refused to give him details. Yet he cites unknown sources what a hack.

The good news is with those four tweets he has exceeded his work capacity for two months. We won't be hearing from him again unless he decides to copy and paste something from the forum. He should be embarrassed at his utter lack of skills and work ethic.

I've never been impressed with his work (if you can call it that). When you compare what he produces to some the other beat reporters and writers of the other sports, the difference between him and the others is glaring.