Lakers just picked up Nash

[rserina]

Originally Posted by Ahab

Bynum and Gasol for Howard and Turkoglu.

Not a chance the Lakers give up both, especially when it is a "buyer's market" for Howard right now.

[Ahab]

Howard, Turkoglu & Anderson?

[Angaza]

Originally Posted by chrisleakfan4life

Mark expressing how i feel right now

Mavs had a ROUGH offseason.

Mike Brown is called a defensive guru, right? Let's see what he can do with Nash this season.

[rserina]

Cuban got toasted. He let Chandler and Barea go and mortgaged his shot at a repeat, only to strike out on the only free agents he pursued. If they had re-upped with those guys, Orlando would almost certainly have bit on a package of Chandler, Beaubois/Barea, and an expiring deal for Howard, then they could have pulled off a sign-and-trade for Williams. Now, they have a worse team than the one OKC swept, a little cap space, and no legitimate free agent options. Way to send Dirk out, Cuban.

[rserina]

Now Kidd goes to the Knicks. The last year keeps getting better and better for Cuban. He is going to have to lock himself in that tanning bed he advertises for so often on Dallas radio.

[Angaza]

So what was Calathes' reason for signing with the Russian team? Was it money only? Mavs could use him now.

[madgator]

Originally Posted by Go2gtr

Nash leaving Phoenix clears the way for Erving!

How does that theory work considering the big money they just spent on Goran Dragic and the lottery pick they used on Kendall Marshall

[Go2gtr]

Originally Posted by madgator

How does that theory work considering the big money they just spent on Goran Dragic and the lottery pick they used on Kendall Marshall

They are redoing the back court on the team he has joined for the summer league.

[diamondted13]

Originally Posted by rserina

Not a chance the Lakers give up both, especially when it is a "buyer's market" for Howard right now.

Very good insight into all of this rserina. I'm sure the Lakers don't want to part with both to get Howard. But I also scoff at those that think Bynum alone for Howard gets this done. L.A. doesn't even have draft picks to package. Orlando just inherits the same problem next year with a less talented, more injury prone, arguably more immature Bynum. Does Bynum commit long-term to the Magic? And would Orlando really want to tie themselves long-term to Bynum? Given that I think his knees are a huge issue moving forward (nevermind heart and head). I think this past year was the first year Bynum didn't miss time due to knee issues. You just don't see guys have knee issues so young (especially at that size), only to move past them. That would be almost unprecedented.

[fubar1]

agree diamond.

This is the kind of trade, if it happens, that people will look back on and wonder how the Lakers keep pulling this stuff off over and over again.

Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Gasol and now possibly Howard.

Pretty amazing in that GMs basically know they're somehow screwed when the Lakers GM calls them for a trade, but even if they don't know exactly how they're screwed yet, still make the trade.

[diamondted13]

Yeah. I despise the Lakers and especially Kobe. I enjoyed their fall to mediocrity, only to see Gasol gifted to them. Now they get Nash for nothing and become a threat yet again. I still think age and lack of athleticism and depth (as they are presently constituted) leave them looking up at OKC. But still, they were stuck with an aging, deeply flawed roster having to give up something to get something. And now Nash out of the blue. I am seriously pist off again at the Lakers.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by diamondted13

But I also scoff at those that think Bynum alone for Howard gets this done. L.A. doesn't even have draft picks to package. Orlando just inherits the same problem next year with a less talented, more injury prone, arguably more immature Bynum. Does Bynum commit long-term to the Magic? And would Orlando really want to tie themselves long-term to Bynum? Given that I think his knees are a huge issue moving forward (nevermind heart and head). I think this past year was the first year Bynum didn't miss time due to knee issues. You just don't see guys have knee issues so young (especially at that size), only to move past them. That would be almost unprecedented.

I tend to agree. That's why a third team becomes a necessity. The Lakers lost one of their big bargaining chips in the Odom trade exception they used on Nash. The Magic want draft picks and prospects, in addition to Turkoglu's contract off their hands. I imagine they would take Bynum with Hill as a sign-and-trade, but they can get no additional draft picks from the Lakers (again because of the Nash deal) and the Lakers are over the cap so they can't take on additional salary.

Not sure how it will get down unless Gasol is included in the deal, but to a different team so the Lakers can get some talent back to replace him. Houston and Atlanta are the names most frequently mentioned, but their recent moves strike me as moving toward rebuilding. Who else would get in on this? OKC with a soon-to-expire Ibaka? Chicago now that Rose is gone for half the year? Not sure.

[rserina]

Here is a similar argument to the one I made earlier about Howard and Bynum. It is from Real GM, which is sort of hit or miss with this stuff, so it could mean I am right or terribly, terribly wrong.

While I have seen arguments stating the opposite, Dwight Howard is a far more logical fit at center to maximize the abilities of Nash than Bynum. There were very few possessions in which Bynum was used in the pick-and-roll last season, as he doesn’t have that type of lateral agility to be a real threat.

Howard has never played with a point guard anywhere close to Nash in this capacity and would be impossible to guard when you also have Gasol stretching the weakside big and then Bryant as a genius cutter still wanting to catch Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for the scoring title. Howard doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be as much of a factor offensively as Bynum and will be a more efficient scorer. Howard’s previous career high in field goal percentage was 61.2% in 09-10 and it is realistic to see him get on the doorstep the 70% mark as Tyson Chandler did with the Knicks last season. Wilt Chamberlain had a FG% of 72.7 during the 72-73 season with the Lakers, the only season on the books above 70%.

Trading for Howard would more importantly cover the Lakers’ deficiencies on defense. Bynum has moments of excellence as a rebounder and shotblocker, but simply doesn’t compare to Howard in any meaningful way in terms of space covered. The Magic need the Lakers more than the Lakers need the Magic, there is little question about that, but the title chances undoubtedly uptick with Howard instead of Bynum.

http://basketball.realgm.com/article..._To_The_Lakers

[Ahab]

I still don't see why the Lakers wouldn't trade Bynum and Gasol for Howard and Anderson. Just Bynum or Gasol alone isn't going to get the deal done. Adding those guys would result in a better roster for the Lakers since they fit much better w/ Nash.

[corpgator]

Originally Posted by your_perfect_enemy

I have been thinking about this lately. I don't get why the lakers would want to swap bynum for howard, I mean I do understand it because I think dwight's the better player, but I think it's prety close. Their defense is pretty even, with the nod to dwight, while I think bynum is better or at least more skilled offensively. Bynum is younger and has 2 rings (not that he was the focal point, but he has the experience). Personality wise, they both seem like petulant little children, so I see why the Magic wouldn't want to trade one for the other. It would be an upgrade for the Lakers if it were bynum for howard straight up, but with whatever else they threw in it seems like it would be pretty much a wash and just be making a trade for making a trades sake.

Howard is the best defender in the game period. He can guard 2 players and protect the basket at the same time. No one else even comes close to what he can do on defense right now in the NBA.

[Singaporegator]

The lakers should keep Gasol. Kobe & Nash. Trade everybody else for Dwight. Sign some free agents and they will have a contending team. Again,trading Bynum is addition by subtraction.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by Ahab

I still don't see why the Lakers wouldn't trade Bynum and Gasol for Howard and Anderson. Just Bynum or Gasol alone isn't going to get the deal done. Adding those guys would result in a better roster for the Lakers since they fit much better w/ Nash.

Because the Magic don't want both of them. They don't get along well: Gasol is very professional and Bynum just isn't. Plus, they don't fit together in the post. Things get so congested with the two of them on the floor and quicker teams off the bounce kill them in the ball screens. Those two title teams were at their best when Odom was on the floor with one of Gasol or Bynum, not both.

Also, if you take on both of those contracts, that is over 35 million on the books next year. If you re-sign Bynum, that could be roughly 40 million the year after. For a team rebuilding, the Magic want nothing to do with that salary commitment.

For another reason, the Lakers want to keep Gasol if they can. He is too smart and effective and he would complement Howard rather well.

[Ahab]

Yeah the Gasol/Bynum pairing has limitations but do you see another offer out there that's better? Maybe you flip one of them but right now that looks like the best possible deal.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by Ahab

Yeah the Gasol/Bynum pairing has limitations but do you see another offer out there that's better? Maybe you flip one of them but right now that looks like the best possible deal.

If it were the trade deadline already, sure, but it isn't. We are six days into free agency and the moratorium on deals isn't even up yet. With three months to camp and four more to the trade deadline, there is no need for either side to rush into a deal. Any number of other teams could get involved.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by fubar1

Give me a shout after the Western Conference Semis or Western Finals after OKC or another team handles the Lakers and I'll pass the blunt.

Don't be stingy....pass it now.. lol