What's Really Making Us Fat?

[ATL_Gator]

Anyone want a pizza?

I do.

[Dreamliner]

Paleos and low-carbers probably think they're immune to the law of gravity too. They'd jump off a building and fly due to the absence of grains in their digestive tract.*



*even though we now know that Paleolithic man ate grains too.

[96Gatorcise]

Originally Posted by lacuna

96, I want to underscore what you have written here and attest to its effectiveness on my body and my life. It was reading Kruse's blog entries that encouraged me to go paleo. I have a substantial amount of weight to lose and have on numerous occasions started diets, lost weight, then ultimately failed and backslid. Discouraging.

Since starting with the leptin resistance RX about 6 weeks ago I have lost more than 20 pounds and feel great. I have not felt hungry. To add some perspective, I am a 60 plus year old female and my lifestyle, while not sedentary, is not an active one. I am not a fitness freak. My health is generally good but for the excess weight I need to lose.

Three weeks ago I began a landscaping project that's rather ambitious for an overweight grandmother. I leveled, dug out extensive roots and raised with something more than 1200 bagged pounds of topsoil an area approximately 15x20 feet next to my house. I built a retaining ledge out of small limestone boulders weighing in the range of 25 to 75 pounds each and terraced the area. I built 2 steps out of flagstones weighing about 60 pounds each and now I am laying 6x9" and 6x6" paving stones in a pattern on the newly raised and leveled area.

I am doing this by myself. I have had no help and I am loving every minute of it. I think I have been in a ketogenic state for more than 5 weeks and my energy level is amazing. And I know I am stronger from the weight of the soil and stones I have been shuffling around.

When I began eating paleo I missed the abundance of fruit I had been eating. And I missed potatoes and sugar. And Chocolate most of all. Have had no wine (sticking to water), but expect I will not give it up forever. Or beer, either, for that matter. And when I reach my goal weight I will reward myself with a reasonable amount of chocolate in some form. Made myself a chocolate mousse with cream, unsweetened chocolate, eggs and stevia but it wasn't quite the same as when it is made with sugar.

Good for you Lacuna, I would suggest you take it a step further and move on to CT follow the protocol as set by Kruse, don't jump to the end.

As for Dream, he is as dogmatic as he claims everyone else to be. It is what it is.

[lacuna]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

And if I might interject, lacuna, I'm not here to quibble about your weight loss. Good for you! But you say you've missed quite a number of foods you enjoyed. Isn't that as good a reason as any not to sacrifice them ? And if you do intend to go back to them, isn't that evidence of a conviction that you can, so to speak, have your cake and eat it too ?

If you know anything about me by now, D, it's that I am not religious. I'm not wedded 'til death do us part to a paleo lifestyle. For now - it works and I will continue to eat this way as long as it does.

I am not totally eliminating foods I enjoy on a permanent basis. For now I can still get my chocolate fix with stevia and enjoy fruit when consumed moderately. I've gotten past missing potatoes but can anticipate times in the future when I will eat them occasionally. Bread, pasta and rice I don't miss at all.

As for having "[my] cake and eating it too," after I make goal I wouldn't turn down a small piece if it were someone's birthday. When I hit the number on the scale I am aiming for it will be cause for celebration and I have every intention of maintaining it and never again finding it necessary to hold myself to a strict dietary regimen. I will have re-acquired self discipline in my diet which, sadly, has been lacking in recent years.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by 96Gatorcise

Good for you Lacuna, I would suggest you take it a step further and move on to CT follow the protocol as set by Kruse, don't jump to the end.

As for Dream, he is as dogmatic as he claims everyone else to be. It is what it is.

I'm also dogmatic about 2 + 2 = 4 and slugs are slimy, stuff like that. But yes, I'm with you. Math and science are annoying.

[96Gatorcise]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

I'm also dogmatic about 2 + 2 = 4 and slugs are slimy, stuff like that. But yes, I'm with you. Math and science are annoying.

you win Dream....I am done........good luck to you.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by lacuna

If you know anything about me by now, D, it's that I am not religious. I'm not wedded 'til death do us part to a paleo lifestyle. For now - it works and I will continue to eat this way as long as it does.

I am not totally eliminating foods I enjoy on a permanent basis. For now I can still get my chocolate fix with stevia and enjoy fruit when consumed moderately. I've gotten past missing potatoes but can anticipate times in the future when I will eat them occasionally. Bread, pasta and rice I don't miss at all.

As for having "[my] cake and eating it too," after I make goal I wouldn't turn down a small piece if it were someone's birthday. When I hit the number on the scale I am aiming for it will be cause for celebration and I have every intention of maintaining it and never again finding it necessary to hold myself to a strict dietary regimen. I will have re-acquired self discipline in my diet which, sadly, has been lacking in recent years.

So, would you say that you're using paleo as a sort of 'reset strategy' ? I can see where that might work. I applaud your determination. And in this you separate yourself from the typical paleo in that you are taking responsibility for your eating habits and are not fobbing weight-gain off on certain foods or food groups. I only wish that more people would exercise this sort of maturity.

The devil is in the dose, not the food.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by 96Gatorcise

you win Dream....I am done........good luck to you.

So, the guy who waves flying spaghetti monsters in religious folks' faces can't take a little bit of rough-and-tumble ?

[ATL_Gator]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

I'm also dogmatic about 2 + 2 = 4 and slugs are slimy, stuff like that. But yes, I'm with you. Math and science are annoying.

/shakes head

A slug is an imperial unit of mass, expressed using feet.

There is the blob as well, similar to the slug, but expressed in inches.

[ATL_Gator]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

So, the guy who waves flying spaghetti monsters in religious folks' faces can't take a little bit of rough-and-tumble ?

Mmmm. Spaghetti, with some hot Italian sausage.

[96Gatorcise]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

So, the guy who waves flying spaghetti monsters in religious folks' faces can't take a little bit of rough-and-tumble ?

No I am just tired of hashing it out with you, believe what you want.

I do find it funny that a guy who was selling house alarms for a living a year ago is now an expert on human physiology

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by ATL_Gator

/shakes head

A slug is an imperial unit of mass, expressed using feet.

There is the blob as well, similar to the slug, but expressed in inches.

I wasn't making fun of slugs!

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by 96Gatorcise

No I am just tired of hashing it out with you, believe what you want.

I do find it funny that a guy who was selling house alarms for a living a year ago is now an expert on human physiology

Well, at least there is some science behind security systems. Can't say the same for what you're selling. Don't be bitter that the young whippersnapper called you on it.

[Nicho]

Gatorcise, don't be so quick to bail! As sardonic as things may get over here, there's no reason to take any of this stuff personally. Dream tries to be a post-count bully but he really means no harm.

[Nicho]

Originally Posted by lacuna

96, I want to underscore what you have written here and attest to its effectiveness on my body and my life. It was reading Kruse's blog entries that encouraged me to go paleo. I have a substantial amount of weight to lose and have on numerous occasions started diets, lost weight, then ultimately failed and backslid. Discouraging.

Since starting with the leptin resistance RX about 6 weeks ago I have lost more than 20 pounds and feel great. I have not felt hungry. To add some perspective, I am a 60 plus year old female and my lifestyle, while not sedentary, is not an active one. I am not a fitness freak. My health is generally good but for the excess weight I need to lose.

Three weeks ago I began a landscaping project that's rather ambitious for an overweight grandmother. I leveled, dug out extensive roots and raised with something more than 1200 bagged pounds of topsoil an area approximately 15x20 feet next to my house. I built a retaining ledge out of small limestone boulders weighing in the range of 25 to 75 pounds each and terraced the area. I built 2 steps out of flagstones weighing about 60 pounds each and now I am laying 6x9" and 6x6" paving stones in a pattern on the newly raised and leveled area.

I am doing this by myself. I have had no help and I am loving every minute of it. I think I have been in a ketogenic state for more than 5 weeks and my energy level is amazing. And I know I am stronger from the weight of the soil and stones I have been shuffling around.

When I began eating paleo I missed the abundance of fruit I had been eating. And I missed potatoes and sugar. And Chocolate most of all. Have had no wine (sticking to water), but expect I will not give it up forever. Or beer, either, for that matter. And when I reach my goal weight I will reward myself with a reasonable amount of chocolate in some form. Made myself a chocolate mousse with cream, unsweetened chocolate, eggs and stevia but it wasn't quite the same as when it is made with sugar.

Lacuna, great story. Being paleo doesn't mean you have to cut out -- or even minimize -- fruit though. And dark chocolate is probably one of the least worrisome non-paleo indulgences when enjoyed on occasion.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Nicho

Gatorcise, don't be so quick to bail! As sardonic as things may get over here, there's no reason to take any of this stuff personally. Dream tries to be a post-count bully but he really means no harm.

We now know that Paleolithic peoples were chocoholics!

54,127!

[Dreamliner]

Synopsis of the debate so far:

Dream: "The obesity rate has tripled during the last thirty years. Research shows that activity levels are unchanged, over that time, but that daily caloric intake has increased by some 500 calories. So, logically the increase in calories has led to the recent explosion in obesity."

Nicho: "No! It's the High Fructose, dummy!"

96: "It's because we're not shivering enough, moron!"

[Nicho]

I admit I chuckled at some of your celiac comments, Dream. At some point I will take time to craft a more articulate argument against your eat-all-foods-in-moderation mantra. Here's a hint: it doesn't actually violate any laws of thermodynamics.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Nicho

I admit I chuckled at some of your celiac comments, Dream. At some point I will take time to craft a more articulate argument against your eat-all-foods-in-moderation mantra. Here's a hint: it doesn't actually violate any laws of thermodynamics.

Truth be told (if we're allowed to spill the beans), paleo does not violate the laws of thermodynamics. This is because people who go paleo (and lose weight) are establishing a calorie deficit.

The thing that annoys me is the religious-like belief that eating paleo is better than placebo. Of course it is not. You can attain paleo-like results by establishing a calorie deficit any other way, including diets which allow you to eat the foods you truly enjoy.

But I'll admit that The Anything Goes Diet doesn't sound as cool as 'Paleo.'

[ATL_Gator]

Captain Jack's Burried Treasure.

Forget any diet that says I can't have that. If caveman only knew.

/wave.