Modern Warfare 3 Midnight Release

[ThomasGoldkamp]

I can't speak for helix, but I move around a good bit as a sniper in BF3. You can't really do that at all in MW3, which is one of my main complaints. I like to be able to move around from place to place with a sniper, maintaining good vantage points most of the way. BF3 allows you to do that, where you'd get owned in most MW3 maps trying to do that.

FWIW, I'm a terrible gamer. My COD ratio in Black Ops was like 0.87 and mine in BF3 right now is a 0.67. I never get frustrated with BF3, despite having games where I sometimes get owned. When I get owned in COD, it's a lot more frustrating. Part of that is I feel like I'm contributing in BF3 the whole time, even if I'm not having a great game. I can find my niche on the team and help that way. Whether that's providing suppressing fire, sniping a few guys from distance, taking out tanks as an engineer, etc., it actually keeps it fun for me. Seems like in MW3 if you're not killing a lot of people and putting together a great KD ratio, you're not really helping your team. I've had games with bad KDs in BF3 and still led my team.

I guess it just caters more to my style of not being great at anything, but being good at doing certain things. MW3 is more kill, kill, kill, at least to me.

[GatorFan89]

BF3 isn't a slow camping game... Play 64 player Conquest on PC, nobody camps. People move around going for objectives all the time, I think with consoles you have campers in BF3 because you get the hardcore CoD crowd in and they start camping it up, I do know if you try that run-n-gun crap on PC, trying to one man army people with a sniper rifle you'll get dropped like a bad habit, same with campers.

I say camp in that building with your sniper, because when I roll up with my tank the building won't help you much, and neither will your sniper rifle.

But like I said, on PC nobody camps, even snipers, they'll sit in a spot and move around usually after they get a kill.

I haven't played Rush yet, but even Rush isn't that bad on PC with camping. If you play it smart, the assault team can make a good push against the defenders.

MW is the camping game where everybody focus' on their k/d ratio. Hell, even I did it when I played MW2. I had a 2.8 k/d ratio and I camped like a mothereffer. In BF3 I probably don't even sit in a spot for more than a minute, and if I do it's because I am scouting a Conquest point and waiting for a good chance to try and capture it.

[helix139]

Originally Posted by gatormoe1

I'm sorry sir but you are in fact a camper. Let me be clear though, I don't have any problems with campers, I do it myself sometimes. Just stating the obvious. Snipers are still campers. By definition a camper is someone that stays in one spot waiting for kills to come to him/her.

Like you said, BF is for players that like to take it slow and/or be more team oriented and MW is for people who want fast paced action all the time. I play BF every once in a while but much prefer MW and I can maintain a 2.0 KD in both.

To Graves:
Newb toobing is pretty much a thing of the past in COD. The tubes have had their damage dropped considerably and without One many Army, its almost pointless to use it. You almost have to directly hit someone to get a kill with the tube now.

No, there is a clear difference, and I don't mind campers either. Campers sit in a room and kill everyone who comes into the area by covering all the entrances. I find an area where I can conceal myself that is usually kind of tough to get to but requires exposing myself to get there, try to stay hidden from people who come into the area, and try to kill a few people in other areas off in the distance while nobody is around me before sneaking off to a new location before the people I killed respawn and head my direction. Rinse, and repeat. This is NOT to be confused with the run and gun quick-scope style that MW3 forces on you if you'd like to use sniper rifles, though. That's just plain unrealistic.

Campers rely on surprising people in relatively close quarters and don't move too much. I give up my close-quarters attacking ability in order to accurately shoot people before they come within striking range of me. If I give away my location, I'm dead. If a camper gives away his location, it doesn't really matter because the layout of the area prevents him from being overwhelmed. A sniper is beat if you know where he is and flank him. A camper sits in a location that limits his ability to be flanked. If you can't see the difference

Like I said, though, it's possible to have both in one game. Sledgehammer/IW just went and alienated a good portion of their fanbase with lazy level design, though, rather than address some fairly small issues that they perceived in the balance of the weapons. I dunno, I just like to be able to choose my method of play rather than having it forced on me.

[GatorFan89]

Originally Posted by ThomasGoldkamp

I can't speak for helix, but I move around a good bit as a sniper in BF3. You can't really do that at all in MW3, which is one of my main complaints. I like to be able to move around from place to place with a sniper, maintaining good vantage points most of the way. BF3 allows you to do that, where you'd get owned in most MW3 maps trying to do that.

FWIW, I'm a terrible gamer. My COD ratio in Black Ops was like 0.87 and mine in BF3 right now is a 0.67. I never get frustrated with BF3, despite having games where I sometimes get owned. When I get owned in COD, it's a lot more frustrating. Part of that is I feel like I'm contributing in BF3 the whole time, even if I'm not having a great game. I can find my niche on the team and help that way. Whether that's providing suppressing fire, sniping a few guys from distance, taking out tanks as an engineer, etc., it actually keeps it fun for me. Seems like in MW3 if you're not killing a lot of people and putting together a great KD ratio, you're not really helping your team. I've had games with bad KDs in BF3 and still led my team.

I guess it just caters more to my style of not being great at anything, but being good at doing certain things. MW3 is more kill, kill, kill, at least to me.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head. A great K/D in BF3 doesn't matter. You can have a bad one, but still be the highest ranking player on your team, as Thomas pointed out here. If you're running around capping flags/planting bombs, you rack up the points. I've seen people in BF3 go like 5-15, but they have the highest score on the team and it's not even close, because they're running around capping flags for the team.

I have a 2.6 K/D in BF3, and while that is a really good ratio, the thing with me is I never get a ton of kills in a game. Mainly because I always focus on the objectives, like capping the flags in Conquest. I normal game for me is like 10-3 k/d. Because I usually try to avoid the other team and sneak into their base to cap their flag. The most kills I've ever gotten is 18 I think, I am really good at getting kills in the game, but I don't focus on it that much because in the end the kills don't help us win, it's the flags.

So with Thomas, he might not have a crazy good K/D ratio, but that doesn't matter, because he is probably capping the flags therefore contributing more to winning for his team than the dude going 20-5 with no flag caps.

[Nacho_Bandit]

Originally Posted by ThomasGoldkamp

Depends on your playing style. If you love COD, go with MW3. If you're one of those people that's open to trying other games and you liked some of the bigger maps and slower-paced, more tactical games in COD, then I'd say go with Battlefield 3.

I think the game engine for Battlefield 3 beats the hell out of Modern Warfare 3. MW3 is essentially the same thing as Black Ops with a slightly tweaked scoring and leveling-up system (similar to BF3, actually) and new maps.

So, which is better in your opinion and anyone else's, is MW3 better than Black Ops?

[gatormoe1]

MW3 is better than Black Ops and MW2. I still think the most enjoyable for me is still COD4 but I love MW3 because it is what MW2 should have been.

[helix139]

Originally Posted by Nacho_Bandit

So, which is better in your opinion and anyone else's, is MW3 better than Black Ops?

MW3 is technically superior and I like the engine and mechanics better, but for me the level design just ruins it, much like the screwed up sniping mechanics ruined black ops. Honestly I don't really like either, though MW3 turned me off sooner. As for MW1 vs MW2, I prefered MW1 slightly.

I'd take Socom 2 and Socom 3 before the glitchers and cheaters got a hold of them before either though.

[Nacho_Bandit]

Originally Posted by helix139

MW3 is technically superior and I like the engine and mechanics better, but for me the level design just ruins it, much like the screwed up sniping mechanics ruined black ops. Honestly I don't really like either, though MW3 turned me off sooner. As for MW1 vs MW2, I prefered MW1 slightly.

I'd take Socom 2 and Socom 3 before the glitchers and cheaters got a hold of them before either though.

Thanks for that info... guess you've helped me make up my mind!

[Sir_Gibby]

Having officially played both now, BF3 > MW3, at least in terms of multiplayer. And it's not really close either. I couldn't tell much of a difference in the graphics from BLOPS to MW3 mainly because coming from BF3 on a 1900x1200 screen with all the graphics on ultra makes MW3 look like a N64 game. That, and I absolutely slaughter through any and all competition regardless of maps and experience. Take a competent FPS player and throw them in MW3 and they're king. I think you could train monkeys to do it. No real challenge, no real teamwork, and everyone is so focused on kills and deaths that any objective games are pointless.

[yarmond1]

They both have their perks and downs. To me they are just different games and I don't play them the same way. I like them both.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Sir_Gibby

Having officially played both now, BF3 > MW3, at least in terms of multiplayer. And it's not really close either. I couldn't tell much of a difference in the graphics from BLOPS to MW3 mainly because coming from BF3 on a 1900x1200 screen with all the graphics on ultra makes MW3 look like a N64 game. That, and I absolutely slaughter through any and all competition regardless of maps and experience. Take a competent FPS player and throw them in MW3 and they're king. I think you could train monkeys to do it. No real challenge, no real teamwork, and everyone is so focused on kills and deaths that any objective games are pointless.

I have more friends that play MW3 and I play with a squad the whole time on MW3 too. We work as a team and kick everyones ass. However I don't know anyone that plays BF3 and it's more of a one man army to me, no one talks on BF3 and it's hard for team work to me but I like playing the game. BF3 some jackass will get in the tank, or chopper by themselves and leave me out to dry. I like playing them both.

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[TimCasey67]

I'm horrible at multiplayer FPS games, but I played COD Black Ops a lot and now play MW3 when I have free time.

My brother decided to Prestige, so now I'm frustrated because I'm horrendous without any perks and upgrades. As his penance, I told him to figure out how to mod the XBOX360 so we don't get massacred so much. (I already figured out how to get the NAT Type to Open, but still get killed a lot when the killcam doesn't show me doing what I did before dying.)

The other thing that bothers me about MW3 is it seems to have a lot more spawn kills than Black Ops had. The Deathstreaks help with that, but it still sucks to get shot within 2 seconds of respawning.

I think I prefer MW3 because there aren't as many pointstreaks that just make it impossible for me (attack dogs mostly), and I can get pointstreak rewards using the Support package and not feel totally useless.

I like the Sabatoge and Kill Confirmed games more than Deathmatch because I feel like I'm helping the team win even if I go 10:30 or 8:16. (Like Thomas wrote earlier)

Send me a PM if you want my XBOX live username and don't mind carrying some dead weight on your team.

[TimCasey67]

Originally Posted by Sir_Gibby

I think you could train monkeys to do it.

PROVE IT! Teach me how not to suck!

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Still haven't played Modern Warfare 3 much at all. Battlefield 3 got me hook, line and sinker. It's a tough game to get away from.

I'm finally at the point where I'm really competent at just about everything. I've got my jets classed up all the way to below radar and fire extinguisher, so I can do some serious damage in the air.

BF3 is definitely a game you want to be playing with a buddy or two, though. I usually play with two friends and we've gone on like 20 kill runs and single-handedly taken over games using APCs or tanks with two of us as engineers and the other driving. Unstoppable.

[GatorInSC]

Originally Posted by ThomasGoldkamp

Still haven't played Modern Warfare 3 much at all. Battlefield 3 got me hook, line and sinker. It's a tough game to get away from.

I'm finally at the point where I'm really competent at just about everything. I've got my jets classed up all the way to below radar and fire extinguisher, so I can do some serious damage in the air.

BF3 is definitely a game you want to be playing with a buddy or two, though. I usually play with two friends and we've gone on like 20 kill runs and single-handedly taken over games using APCs or tanks with two of us as engineers and the other driving. Unstoppable.

I emjoy running and gunning more so I'm a MW3 person but BF3 is good also I have both for ps3

[ThomasGoldkamp]

BTW, has anyone found going from Battlefield 3 to Modern Warfare 3 awesome? I destroy people in MW3 now. It's so much easier to kill people than in BF3. Feels like I'm playing against noobs when I switch over.

[helix139]

Originally Posted by ThomasGoldkamp

I'm finally at the point where I'm really competent at just about everything. I've got my jets classed up all the way to below radar and fire extinguisher, so I can do some serious damage in the air.

Wait til you get Beam Scanning...

Lock on heat seakers, wait for the enemy to shoot their flares, then lock back on almost instantly and destroy them. Its awesome! Guided missiles are awesome too, but you need teammates on the ground using SOFLAMs and nobody seems to use those.

Depending on what the opposing jets are equipped with, I'll run beam scanning with either heat seekers (if the opposing jets are active and coming after me) or guided missiles (if they are just tooling around and being controlled by the other jet on my team) and flares (if they shoot missiles) or extinguishers (if they are fond of the machine gun). I get ECM Jammer soon. Looking forward to that.

Also, had a 330+ meter headshot with the M40 the other day against a guy on the run. That was flat awesome. You're right about grabbing tanks with engineers, too. You can take over some games doing that.

[endabcs]

I have to wait until after Christmas and I'm probably one of the oldest on this thread

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on the flip side of that, I also got a Z-10 cyclone rake, and a season pass to the local ski resort... take that suckas. (there's a reason I'm never good at these games.)

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Originally Posted by helix139

Wait til you get Beam Scanning...

Lock on heat seakers, wait for the enemy to shoot their flares, then lock back on almost instantly and destroy them. Its awesome! Guided missiles are awesome too, but you need teammates on the ground using SOFLAMs and nobody seems to use those.

Depending on what the opposing jets are equipped with, I'll run beam scanning with either heat seekers (if the opposing jets are active and coming after me) or guided missiles (if they are just tooling around and being controlled by the other jet on my team) and flares (if they shoot missiles) or extinguishers (if they are fond of the machine gun). I get ECM Jammer soon. Looking forward to that.

Also, had a 330+ meter headshot with the M40 the other day against a guy on the run. That was flat awesome. You're right about grabbing tanks with engineers, too. You can take over some games doing that.

I can't seem to function without air radar, I get shot down much quicker. So I switched that back on in place of beam scanning. I'm only a hundred or so points away from ECM Jammer, but I can't see myself using that much.