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Old 11-18-2009, 11:51 AM   #1
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.High Medicare costs in Miami must end, Senate health leader says
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Key senator: Healthcare cost disparities must endSen. Tom Harkin, leader of the powerful Senate Health Committee, said Friday that vast differences in Medicare costs -- as exist between the high-cost Miami and lower-cost areas -- must be ended to make for sensible healthcare reform.
``These huge disparities can't continue,'' the Iowa Democrat said in a teleconference sponsored by the consumer group Families USA.
Dartmouth studies have shown that the average Miami senior costs almost two-and-a-half times what a senior in Minneapolis does.

•Senator: Disparities in Medicare costs must end
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``These huge disparities can't continue,'' said the Iowa Democrat in a teleconference sponsored by the consumer group Families USA.
Dartmouth studies have shown that the average Miami senior costs almost two-and-a-half times a senior in Minneapolis, due at least partly to more specialist visits and more intense care in the last six months of life.

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Obama's savings won't pay for health plan, experts sayDespite President Barack Obama's insistence that his $900 billion healthcare plan won't increase already-huge federal budget deficits, experts say that it would -- unless he raised more taxes than he's suggesting he would.
Obama told a joint session of Congress Wednesday night that ``reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.''
However, he offered few details for how those savings might be achieved, and he didn't mention the key plan -- backed by Democrats in the House of Representatives -- to raise revenue by imposing higher income taxes on the wealthy.
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jdorschner@MiamiHerald.com
Sen. Tom Harkin, leader of the powerful Senate Health Committee, said Friday that vast differences in Medicare costs -- as exist between the high-cost Miami and lower-cost areas -- must be ended to make for sensible healthcare reform.

``These huge disparities can't continue,'' the Iowa Democrat said in a teleconference sponsored by the consumer group Families USA.

Dartmouth studies have shown that the average Miami senior costs almost 2 ½-half times what a senior in Minneapolis does, due at least partly to more specialist visits, more expensive diagnostic tests and and more intensive care in the last six months of life.

Because Medicare numbers are public, healthcare experts often use them as a proxy for overall healthcare costs.

Harkin said a proposal from Sen. Chuck Grassley, a Republican from Iowa, would ``change the parameters of how reimbursement rates are made.'' He noted that Iowa has always ranked near the top in quality of care measures while ranking 48th of 50 in Medicare costs.

Much of the hard work for changing costs could come in a new Medicare Commission, where experts would figure out what care is most productive and how to reshape payment plans. Congress would still get a say, but only after the commission had made its determinations.

Harkin likened a Medicare board to Congress setting up a Base-Closing Commission ``because we could never vote to close a base.''

At present, Congress almost always rejects any reductions in Medicare spending because of intense pressures from lobbying groups for doctors, hospitals and drug companies.

Families USA director Ron Pollack added that, however Medicare payments are changed, a provision in the main Senate legislation -- the Baucus bill -- has a provision guaranteeing seniors that any changes would not increase their out-of-pocket expenses.

Harkin, who took over leadership of the Health Committee after the death of Sen. Ted Kennedy, was also emphatic on another point: Whatever shape reform takes in the House and Senate, ``it will have a public option.''

House Democrats are overwhelmingly in support of a new government insurance, and Harkin said Friday that 52 Democratic senators are solidly for a public option, with only five Democrats strongly opposed.

``Should the 52 give in to the five, or should the five come on board?'' Harkin asked rhetorically.

A public plan could take several forms, Harkin said:

• A nationwide insurance, which would be self-funded so that it would break even.

• A state-option plan, so that some states could vote to opt out and instead form nonprofit co-ops to offer insurance to individuals and small business that couldn't get coverage elsewhere.

• A public plan that would come into existence only if private insurance did not cover a targeted amount of the uninsured. In that case, a government insurance would be ``triggered'' into existence at a pre-determined date in that case

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Old 11-18-2009, 12:52 PM   #2
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It is highly doubtful to me that the avg Miami resident actually gets 2 and half times the medical treatment that the avg Minnesotan gets.

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't read anything in that article about Miami leading the nation in medicare fraud or a comparison of Miami malpractice rates, specialist salaries, colas, etc.

How about some more analytics, shankapotamus.
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:35 PM   #3
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Well we are talking about overall costs you can look up the things you cite..
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Old 11-18-2009, 02:49 PM   #4
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What is this fetish with tying problems to "the south"? Miami is the least "southern" city below of the Mason-Dixon.

Costs in Miami have much more to do with rampant fraud (we're #1!), general cost of living and a large population of elderly, unhealthy immigrants (mostly from the northeast, many others from out of country) than with any imaginary bubba factor.

I suspect that if you compared Miami costs with Birmingham or Biloxi, those cities would rank a lot closer to Iowa than they do to Miami.
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Old 11-18-2009, 03:03 PM   #5
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What is this fetish with tying problems to "the south"?
It isn't a fetish it is a fact. Most cities in south are going to be high cost. Hell they have one insurer in Alabama which writes almost 90% of the business there. Alabama would have the same cost as Iowa that's a joke. BTW Montana has the some of lowest health care costs in their rural areas.If you haven't read the entire Dartmouth study you aren't keeping up.
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Old 11-18-2009, 03:08 PM   #6
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Oh please. I've been living in South Florida on and off for 36 years. There isn't a scam invented that isn't being run down here. Medicare? That my friends is a target rich environment to the umpteenth degree. It is a friggin cottage industry. From my own personal experience, my biggest complaint with the government running health care is these bastards down here would consider it nothing more than a license to steal. You have NO idea.....
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It isn't a fetish it is a fact. Most cities in south are going to be high cost. Hell they have one insurer in Alabama which writes almost 90% of the business there. Alabama would have the same cost as Iowa that's a joke. BTW Montana has the some of lowest health care costs in their rural areas.If you haven't read the entire Dartmouth study you aren't keeping up.
Why are cities in the south going to be high cost? Do you have any extra reading for us? I find this to be an interesting statement and would like to learn more.
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What are you telling us that folks in south are more dishonest?
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Well we are talking about overall costs you can look up the things you cite..
Don't need to, I worked for a managed care company in Miami for 5 yrs and have a very good feel for the problems, hence my area of comment. Miami's high health insurance costs have little to do with it being in the south, btw.
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That maybe true but south in general is high cost, Louisana and Texas are the two highest cost states. Read the Dartmouth report a four year study.
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Miami sucks. More proof that Northerners have screwed over the South.
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I thought it was Cubans that took over
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Yeah, but it sure as hell ain't the Cubans (or the original Crackers) who make Miami the perennial "Rudest City in America."
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Well which is it Cubans or Yanks ?
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I just said it ain't the Cubans. Now, they may be a few rude Cubans. But they would likely be from North Cuba. Northerners suck in general.
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Well lets get back on topic the health care costs for some reason are out of sight.
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This will help Miami more than you know.
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I hope it does.
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