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**Burke** · 11-07-2009, 06:44 AM

"Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain 'acceptable health insurance coverage' and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years."

http://republicans.waysandmeans.hous...umentID=153583

As I understand it, this is really a tax in disguise. The govt is forcing young people to buy health insurance they don't need or want so insurance companies can give insurance to people who are uninsurable. No real difference between this and taxing young people to provide health insurance for others.

(As an aside, things like this are one reason I oppose the Fairtax. Govt will just replace taxes with mandates like this.)

brainstorm · 11-07-2009, 07:41 AM

Pretty sick if you ask me. This has really gone too far.

rivergator · 11-07-2009, 09:19 AM

That'd be ridiculous if true. But. as we've seen over and over, Republican congressmen routinely make announcements of these things that aren't true. So it's hard to know.

northgagator · 11-07-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rivergator

That'd be ridiculous if true. But. as we've seen over and over, Republican congressmen routinely make announcements of these things that aren't true. So it's hard to know.

Sorry river but there are several place that this story is popping up and it appears to be true

TravelingGator · 11-07-2009, 12:14 PM

Is the alleged HR 3962 as amended posted anywhere on-line, seems pretty simple to verify the langauge in the bill.

Gator_Tom66 · 11-07-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TravelingGator

Is the alleged HR 3962 as amended posted anywhere on-line, seems pretty simple to verify the langauge in the bill.

another broken promise from the dems.....

hope and change

96Gatorcise · 11-07-2009, 12:29 PM

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

its in there somewhere in all 1990 pages

**Jupgator** · 11-07-2009, 12:29 PM

I would say the American people are going to get what we deserve for voting an inexperienced ultra liberal in, but McCain wasn't very appealing either. At least McCain would do less harm.

**Burke** · 11-07-2009, 12:35 PM

I think McCain would have ultimately done more harm. He would be compromising so much everything would still be going to hell, and the Pubs would get blamed for it instead of the Dems.

AnnArborGator · 11-07-2009, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rivergator

That'd be ridiculous if true. But. as we've seen over and over, Republican congressmen routinely make announcements of these things that aren't true. So it's hard to know.

If this passes we will soon find out because I won't be paying any mandated tax for not having health insurance.

I will not pay to buy the freedom given to me as a gift by my Creator.

AnnArborGator · 11-07-2009, 01:52 PM

The mandate tax most certainly seems to be in the bill, specifically in Title V, Subtitle A, Part I, Subpart A, Section 501. This link should take you directly to the section in question that amends the Internal Revenue Code: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...SkUzd:e365587:

AnnArborGator · 11-07-2009, 02:00 PM

I suppose, then, the only question remaining is whether the IRS will prosecute folks if they refuse to pay the freedom killing tax. Is the report true or false in that respect? Only time will tell, IMO.

The_Graygator · 11-07-2009, 02:27 PM

Then come and get me Nancy, cause I aint playing'.

If this monstrosity, freedom-ruining bill is passed, the utter disaster it will cause in public uproar and outright violence will be unreal... and believe me, it will if it passes.

Gator_Tom66 · 11-07-2009, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rivergator

That'd be ridiculous if true. But. as we've seen over and over, Republican congressmen routinely make announcements of these things that aren't true. So it's hard to know.

seems the pub is right on this one......

JerseyGator01 · 11-07-2009, 07:39 PM

First the thought police, now the Dems bring us the debt police. I thought they didn't like authority.

AnnArborGator · 11-07-2009, 10:47 PM

If this thing passes I might just have to go set myself on fire on the Capitol steps.

northgagator · 11-07-2009, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnArborGator

If this thing passes I might just have to go set myself on fire on the Capitol steps.

Be sure that you finish the job. You do not want to get arrested, tried, convicted, and jailed.

AnnArborGator · 11-07-2009, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northgagator

Be sure that you finish the job. You do not want to get arrested, tried, convicted, and jailed.

At this point I really don't care. They've already taken so much of my freedom that it means basically nothing to me.

Swampmaster · 11-08-2009, 09:35 AM

Not paying taxes has long been a crime. Why is this different?

cjgator76 · 11-08-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Swampmaster

Not paying taxes has long been a crime. Why is this different?

For starters, this one is in effect a tax on breathing.

11-07-2009, 06:44 AM	#1
Burke Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,137	Pelosi's Plan--buy in or face 5 yrs "Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain 'acceptable health insurance coverage' and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years." http://republicans.waysandmeans.hous...umentID=153583 As I understand it, this is really a tax in disguise. The govt is forcing young people to buy health insurance they don't need or want so insurance companies can give insurance to people who are uninsurable. No real difference between this and taxing young people to provide health insurance for others. (As an aside, things like this are one reason I oppose the Fairtax. Govt will just replace taxes with mandates like this.)

11-07-2009, 12:14 PM	#5
TravelingGator Too Hot Admin Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Goose Creek SC Posts: 4,699	Is the alleged HR 3962 as amended posted anywhere on-line, seems pretty simple to verify the langauge in the bill. __________________ “You’ve got critics saying ‘Florida this, Florida that,’ but you’re not a Florida player or Florida coach,... You’re not a part of the staff, so you don’t know what’s going on.” -Will Hill

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96Gatorcise Sophomore Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 303	http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf its in there somewhere in all 1990 pages __________________ INEVITABILITY- The knowledge that no matter what you do with the rest of your life, you'll never be as cool as a bull-riding monkey...

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11-07-2009, 07:41 AM	#2
brainstorm Heisman Candidate Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,544	Pretty sick if you ask me. This has really gone too far.

11-07-2009, 09:19 AM	#3
rivergator Gator Country Silver Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 10,384	That'd be ridiculous if true. But. as we've seen over and over, Republican congressmen routinely make announcements of these things that aren't true. So it's hard to know.

11-07-2009, 12:29 PM	#8
Jupgator Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 454	I would say the American people are going to get what we deserve for voting an inexperienced ultra liberal in, but McCain wasn't very appealing either. At least McCain would do less harm.

11-07-2009, 12:35 PM	#9
Burke Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,137	I think McCain would have ultimately done more harm. He would be compromising so much everything would still be going to hell, and the Pubs would get blamed for it instead of the Dems.

11-07-2009, 01:52 PM	#11
AnnArborGator Gator Country Silver Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9,917	The mandate tax most certainly seems to be in the bill, specifically in Title V, Subtitle A, Part I, Subpart A, Section 501. This link should take you directly to the section in question that amends the Internal Revenue Code: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...SkUzd:e365587:

11-07-2009, 02:00 PM	#12
AnnArborGator Gator Country Silver Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9,917	I suppose, then, the only question remaining is whether the IRS will prosecute folks if they refuse to pay the freedom killing tax. Is the report true or false in that respect? Only time will tell, IMO.

11-07-2009, 07:39 PM	#15
JerseyGator01 Heisman Winner Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,578	First the thought police, now the Dems bring us the debt police. I thought they didn't like authority.

11-07-2009, 10:47 PM	#16
AnnArborGator Gator Country Silver Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9,917	If this thing passes I might just have to go set myself on fire on the Capitol steps.

11-08-2009, 09:35 AM	#19
Swampmaster Gator Country Silver Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9,415	Not paying taxes has long been a crime. Why is this different?

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