Proof of an Intelligent Creator and His purpose

[andersbranderud]

According to science our universe (space-time) has a beginning (http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9403004).(This paper is written by the cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin of the Tufts university and Arvind Bonde.)

It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause. Since space-time has a beginning there was a first physical occurrence. Causality requires that the first physical occurrence had a cause. Causality and the fact that space-time has a beginning implies that this Prime Cause is non-dimensional and independent of space-time, i.e. a Creator.

To conclude the above paragraphs:
Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.
Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator).
Ergo: There is no universe.
Fact: There is a universe.
Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).
(Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.)

Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Torah, see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Torah —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Some of the text is a quote from www.netzarim.co.il)

The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.


Anders Branderud

[Tipmoose]

In before the lock or move.

[NJG8tor]

Originally Posted by andersbranderud

According to science our universe (space-time) has a beginning (http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9403004).(This paper is written by the cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin of the Tufts university and Arvind Bonde.)

It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause. Since space-time has a beginning there was a first physical occurrence. Causality requires that the first physical occurrence had a cause. Causality and the fact that space-time has a beginning implies that this Prime Cause is non-dimensional and independent of space-time, i.e. a Creator.

To conclude the above paragraphs:
Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.
Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator).
Ergo: There is no universe.
Fact: There is a universe.
Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).
(Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.)

Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Torah, see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Torah —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Some of the text is a quote from www.netzarim.co.il)

The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.


Anders Branderud

And for the thousandth time, just because it's a limitation of physics doesn't mean it's a limitation of the universe. Take this foolishness to a science board and try to convince them.

[lacuna]

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About Me

Hello! My name is Anders Branderud and I am born 1984. I am studing Information Technology in the Royal Technical High school I like to exercise (for example running and swimming), read a lot of news (especially foreign news and news in Israels newspapers), reading science articles/books, talking with people, discussions, to take photos I do practise the Instructions found in Torah - part of the Jewish Bible. This I do because I have formal logical reasons for the existence of a Creator and His purpose of humankind (read more about this in a post in the left menu in my blog).

How on Earth did he find his way here?! And does he intend to stick around and debate?

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by NJG8tor

And for the thousandth time, just because it's a limitation of physics doesn't mean it's a limitation of the universe. Take this foolishness to a science board and try to convince them.

You mean the scientists who don't believe or the scientists who do ?

[NJG8tor]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

You mean the scientists who don't believe or the scientists who do ?

It doesn't matter. It's poor logic whether you believe or not.

[StrangeGator]

I'm wondering if this guy isn't from Chabad. They like to prosthelitize in odd places and tend to be very intellectual. A lot of orthodox Jews try to find a place where the biblical account of creation and contemporary science can coexist. That's got to be a very confusing place.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by NJG8tor

It doesn't matter. It's poor logic whether you believe or not.

What is 'logic' anyway ? These days it's everything AND the kitchen sink.

[GuyWhiteyCorngood]

That does it. I'm a Jew now.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by StrangeGator

I'm wondering if this guy isn't from Chabad. They like to prosthelitize in odd places and tend to be very intellectual. A lot of orthodox Jews try to find a place where the biblical account of creation and contemporary science can coexist. That's got to be a very confusing place.

Yeah, I know I prefer the comfy blankie of the Grown-Up-Germs Hypothesis.

[gs_gator]

This I do because I have formal logical reasons for the existence of a Creator and His purpose of humankind

what about these little guys...



were they a part of the good lords plan for humankind? Were the poor and underprivileged of the world such an eyesore that he created hookworms, the leading cause of prenatal and childhood morbidity south of the equator?

Your argument in the first post is reminiscent of St Anselm of Canterbury and his ontological argument.

Whether there is or isnt a creator is a great discussion but it can never be answered on this plane of existence so why bother.

[lacuna]

Originally Posted by StrangeGator

I'm wondering if this guy isn't from Chabad. They like to prosthelitize in odd places and tend to be very intellectual. A lot of orthodox Jews try to find a place where the biblical account of creation and contemporary science can coexist. That's got to be a very confusing place.

Why? The chabad.org site has some fascinating stuff on it and I wouldn't necessarily label it as literal interpretation.

[Dreamliner]

Why would hookworms disprove God ? They might, in fact, prove that he's a an imp, a bit of a frat boy.

[gs_gator]

not the direction i intended dream....no way to disprove that subject...

more along the lines of...

if god has a purpose for human kind as the poster stated...where do hookworms fall into play...

im a big fan of population control so i can see that angle

but logically why create an insignificant parasite that takes so many of your creations out of the game before they even have a chance to enjoy his masterpiece?

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by gs_gator

not the direction i intended dream....no way to disprove that subject...

more along the lines of...

if god has a purpose for human kind as the poster stated...where do hookworms fall into play...

im a big fan of population control so i can see that angle

but logically why create an insignificant parasite that takes so many of your creations out of the game before they even have a chance to enjoy his masterpiece?

I suppose I could pretend to know (and Christians often do) but I won't.

[lacuna]

Strange, he's not Chabad. I don't know about you guys but in that he found his way to Gator Country from Sweden I find him much more interesting than what he posted. Here's something I found on his blog. He apparently wants to convert but has been denied an orthodox conversion in Israel. My guess is he's B'nai Noach.

http://bloganders.blogspot.com/searc...%20in%20Israel

20090809
Home from Israel
My time in Israel has been a time of mixed experience and I bring back a lot of life learning experiences. I was in Israel with the prospect of להתגיר – to convert to Judaism – but was stopped by a decision by the exceptions committee of the משרד הפנים (the interior ministry). Every tourist has to go through the exceptions committee. They denied me להתגיר in Israel with the accusation that I stand for Christian doctrines. They know very well from my application that that fact isn’t true. So in the near future it doesn’t seem like I will have the possibility להתגיר (to convert). Maybe there are some רב –rabbi- in another country than Sweden that would be allowing to supervise להתגיר a person that belongs to Netzarim (see link in left menu); until I find that person I will continue my education in Sweden.

[Gatormb]

I guess it's more intelligent to believe something came from nothing, blew up and became everything. When's the last time something blew up and became more organized?

Oh, I forgot. Maybe, perhaps, could have, possibly....Given enough time anything can happen. Talk about faith!

[Dreamliner]

We've found the only Swede in the world who believes in God AND is a Gator fan ... and we want to run him off ? What's up with that ?

[gs_gator]

I guess it's more intelligent to believe something came from nothing, blew up and became everything. When's the last time something blew up and became more organized?

Oh, I forgot. Maybe, perhaps, could have, possibly....Given enough time anything can happen. Talk about faith!

try this out

I guess it's more intelligent to believe something came from a magical guy in the sky, who clapped his hands and created everything. When's the last time something appeared out of nowhere and was perfectly adapted to its environment, perfectly fit for generational survival over millions of years?

Oh, I forgot. Maybe, perhaps, could have, possibly....Given enough time anything can happen. Talk about faith!

[NJG8tor]

Originally Posted by gs_gator

what about these little guys...



were they a part of the good lords plan for humankind? Were the poor and underprivileged of the world such an eyesore that he created hookworms, the leading cause of prenatal and childhood morbidity south of the equator?

Your argument in the first post is reminiscent of St Anselm of Canterbury and his ontological argument.

Whether there is or isnt a creator is a great discussion but it can never be answered on this plane of existence so why bother.

I would have to brush up on my philosophy, but I think it's more reminiscent of Aristotle's first cause argument, famously adopted by Thomas Aquinas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument