Diabetes Weight-Loss Study Ends Early With Surprising Result

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

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"Relative to normal weight, both obesity (all grades) and grades 2 and 3 obesity were associated with significantly higher all-cause mortality."

There's really absolutely no room for confusion there, or so I thought.

Flegal: Grade I Obese 5% lower mortality risk. Overall, 25,000 excess deaths (wrongly, I would contend) attributed to obesity, with 33,000 deaths being attributed to being underweight.

Can we shift to a skinny crisis now ? The current phony crisis is getting old.

[bakaduin]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

One reason I'm okay with obesity is that it is obviously not killing people. The question is, why are you not okay with it (since it's obviously not killing people) ?

"Relative to normal weight, both obesity (all grades) and grades 2 and 3 obesity were associated with significantly higher all-cause mortality."

You know mortality means killing people right?

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by bakaduin

"Relative to normal weight, both obesity (all grades) and grades 2 and 3 obesity were associated with significantly higher all-cause mortality."

You know mortality means killing people right?

I'm breaking it down for you. Rather, CDC senior research scientist is breaking the studies down for you. Further:

*Women over 50 with BMI 34 (upper-range Grade I obese) longest-lived of all.

*Among non-smokers over 60, obese live longer than normal weight.

Additionally, I cited the Brazil study which showed Grade I obese living longer than normal weight.

Moreover, I cited the Statistics Canada study showing Grade I AND Grade II living longer.

I also cited the Norway Study showing morbidly obese women living longer than normal weight men.

Add the niggling detail that there is no credible evidence of obesity causing the diseases it is blamed for and therefore no one is actually dying 'from being fat.'

Now, stop being a hit-and-run artist. You posed a seemingly rhetorical question, on the 'Business Proposition' thread, and I answered it. This is you off-and-running to the next taunt.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I make some delicious shakes.

Care to share a recipe or two?

[Dreamliner]

I'm moving to Charlotte in a couple of weeks. Friend of mine up there says that a restaurant there makes the best shakes ever. Says it's basically ice cream, in a cup, and they give you a straw. Says he has no idea why they give you a straw.

[bakaduin]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

I'm moving to Charlotte in a couple of weeks. Friend of mine up there says that a restaurant there makes the best shakes ever. Says it's basically ice cream, in a cup, and they give you a straw. Says he has no idea why they give you a straw.

Cabo Fish Taco and BBQ King in Charlotte are both quality food. Tons of restaurants in Charlotte.

[Dreamliner]

Thanks! Not big on fish tacos but am interested in sampling authentic Carolina BBQ.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

Care to share a recipe or two?

Sure.

First step is always use almond milk. In addition to being lighter in calories, it's creamier and makes a thicker shake.

Either stock up on frozen fruits or freeze your own. I almost never use banana, but it's usually a "stock" fruit to make the shakes creamier. That said, it tends to dominate the flavor of most shakes, so I only do it when going for tropical.

Here's an example favorite:

8-10 oz of almond milk
2 scoops of ON vanilla ice cream protein
1.5 cups of frozen fruit
some honey and/or 1 packet of splenda
10-15 almonds

blend er up for about a minute.

Comes out to:

55g protein
8g fat
25g carb (mostly sugar)

I usually put in some fiber as a filler, too. I'll rarely say no to a steak, but there are times when this could compete with just about anything else.

[LeafUF]

Almonds seems interesting. Never seen that before.

[GuyWhiteyCorngood]

Originally Posted by LeafUF

Almonds seems interesting. Never seen that before.

A big part of my veggie intake comes from green shakes now, but a green shake is pretty gross unless you have a quality blender (BlendTech or Vitamix).

Some of my favorites:

4-6 oz water (or sub in some almond milk)
Big ole handful of spinach
about 1/2 cup frozen pineapple
1/2 naval orange or 1 tangerine
Vanilla grass-fed whey (optional for a protein kick)
1 tbs coconut oil or 1/4 avocado (optional for some quality fat)

I'm w/ OBOB on bananas, but for the recipe above, 1/4 of a frozen banana is not bad at all. I wouldn't do banana and avocado together though. Too much emulsification going on.

Otherwise, I like to mix spinach with citrus, carrot, and ginger.

Beets (with the greens included) actually blend up pretty nicely, and they pair nicely with cherries. Add some almond milk and vanilla protein powder and it's a pretty tasty carb bomb.

Occasionally, I'll make some V-8 type of stuff to get concentrated veggie power.

Greens - spinach or kale
carrot
celery
tomato
seaweed
1 clove of garlic
small chunk of ginger
1/2 - 1 habanero

A few other lessons learned:

- don't add too many ingredients
- don't use apples for whole juice (they're just not good blended)
- don't use anything too seedy or grainy (like pomegranate or raspberry)
- avoid using cabbage