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Old 01-05-2013, 02:26 PM   #81
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how did "their butthurtness and envy on the 1% caused this"?
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Not all of them, but the majority voted for Obama who insisted in tax increase for the "filthy rich who are not paying their fair share". Elections have consequences.
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Not all of them, but the majority voted for Obama who insisted in tax increase for the "filthy rich who are not paying their fair share". Elections have consequences.
I thought that this thread was about the payroll tax expiring? None of the other increases will show up for those collecting a paycheck until they file their 2013 taxes in 2014. Or did I miss something?
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:03 PM   #84
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Romney is the one who got 47%. 47.2% to be exact. Obama got 51.1% yet the losing quote that Romney used to drive off voters, is still being used by those who still think they are the majority...

It is Republicans voters that are now the 47%.
My guess would be that 47% pays 80% plus of the taxes.

But when did a liberal ever give a crap about who pays the bills? (Unless they are getting a divorce)
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I'm going to cut the number of hours I work to avoid paying more of what I earn to the Gov.
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:59 PM   #86
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I dont understand the confusion. If after all my fixed expenses and obligations I usually have 100,000 at end of the year, but under new taxes I will have $88,000......i then have choices.
I will still put 50,000 into my 401k---no change. I usually spend the rest. Last year I spent 50k in discretionary spending----this year it will be 38,000.

I did the math---the 12,000 will come from housekeeper, gardner, 1 less vacation. I will be FINE, my HK and gardner...i think they will be hurt more by new taxes then I am---i dont think they are chuckling at all.

But I WONT reduce my savings....so i will reduce spending....who gets the benefit of my spending???

Now, maybe the government will make better use of the 12,000...maybe not. I suppose much of it will go to growing the efficient entity known as the US govt, some into entitlements, and some into deficit reduction.

I would bet the economic of my spending 12,000 in my community and in the co-op has a better long term effect then the govt.....but we will never know.

The key thing is this---govt will have more money----govt has NOT moved towards reduced spending----it has INCREASED spending in fact. So all this tax is doing is funding greater spending without progress on our ONE TRUE existential threat-----debt.
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On the other hand, they are going to teach wind energy safety in Orlando and hire 50 people making an average of 83 grand each, to teach the 2,500 windmill techs safety.

You guys have fought this industry hard, and it's great paying American jobs.

The number of techs will only increase as more wind farms are added.

Maybe if you didn't fight progress, you wouldn't have to worry about what you are cutting out.
Who fought the wind farm off Nantucket? I don't think it was the Pubs....
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There has been a ton of opposition on this board since Nantucket was fought over. Many wind farms in the right places have been put in since. Along with NG, it is the leading new source of energy in this nation.

Meanwhile, the Crystal River Nuke plant wants over 5 billion from the insurance agency that insures all nuke plants but they only have 3.5 to insure them all.

The bigger problem is, there are four other nuke plants in other states that are down also. The fifty year life span of the plants, has arrived.
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There has been a ton of opposition on this board since Nantucket was fought over. Many wind farms in the right places have been put in since. Along with NG, it is the leading new source of energy in this nation.

Meanwhile, the Crystal River Nuke plant wants over 5 billion from the insurance agency that insures all nuke plants but they only have 3.5 to insure them all.

The bigger problem is, there are four other nuke plants in other states that are down also. The fifty year life span of the plants, has arrived.
Just was wondering who "you guys" were.

The not in my backyard club or some other group?
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Carefully reread the posts from our liberal friends.

Practically every single post is filled with envy. Why should anyone care if someone buys their kid an Acura?

But that's not the way they think. They believe no one should make more than 250k and no one should own SUVS, McMansions etc or be allowed to send their kids to private schools.

Too bad they don't recognize their envy as really mental illness that manifests itself as unhealthy anger.

Not sure who your liberal friends refers to but I don't think I'll be rereading any posts. All arepretty predictable the first time, including yours. I'm sure I qualify as a lib in your mind, yet me kid went to a private hs and my wife drives a Mercedes.

Personally, I don't envy the owner of where I work one bit, nor would I trade my Infiniti coupe for his nice new truck. The guy watches fox news and listens to rush all the time and has become quite a miserable guy. Feel sorry for his wife. Some of you need to get out more and update your stereotypes.
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Pa,

Funny that you have forgotten the many times so many on this board have fought against alternative energy systems.

If all you remember on the subject is the few times some have fought a wind farm due to environmental reasons, you are as guilty as charged.

That is the typical response, and you used it and only the oppositon to wind anywhere use it. So either wear it, or say something in support for alternatives and prove me wrong.
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I'm going to cut back on my invasion of Iraq contribution.

Oh wait, that was supposed to pay for itself. And we were all told to go out and spend money during that time period, instead of paying for this. And never mind anyways......the federal budget was taken from a near-surplus to a $1.4 trillion deficit during the, ahem, "leadership" of the person that brought us that free gem.

That said, Republicans and righties can now go back to their laughable pretense that those they elect are not spenders and debtors on the most grotesque level possible. And they can continue whining about having to pay the bills after delivering upon us 8 years during which the federal debt was doubled.
What does this have to do with anything? So because Bush was a big government neocon that had a R next to his name that means its okay for Obama to bankrupt the country to economic ruin? Is that your point?
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What does this have to do with anything? So because Bush was a big government neocon that had a R next to his name that means its okay for Obama to bankrupt the country to economic ruin? Is that your point?
It means that pubs get spending religion whenever Dems get elected. When pubs get elected, they couldn't care less.
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shab- I get just as PO'd at pubs when they approve the spending- at some point we have to come to grips with the facts of our debt and our excessive spending and where we stand economically

it is going to hurt and it is going to hurt really bad-but not as bad as it will hurt when we go under- we have to find our way back to fiscal responsibility
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:59 PM   #97
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Funny that you have forgotten the many times so many on this board have fought against alternative energy systems.

If all you remember on the subject is the few times some have fought a wind farm due to environmental reasons, you are as guilty as charged.

That is the typical response, and you used it and only the oppositon to wind anywhere use it. So either wear it, or say something in support for alternatives and prove me wrong.
Alternatives are great, but I think it is wrong for the Gov to stack the deck against oil to make alternatives more attractive with our money. I love the idea of solar but it costs a ton to start off. Let the private sector innovate solar, wind, etc.

Environmental "concerns" are not the only reason wind is opposed...http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul...power-20110724

A google search showed dozens of examples of increasing resistance to turbines due to "unsightliness" blocking views, etc.
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