The Gunshow 'Loophole'

[philnotfil]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Sorry to beat you up, but you challenged me
In hindsight, perhaps you started a thread on a subject you don't know much about

Beating me up, is that what you call running away from a question in your world?

What have I posted on this thread that shows a lack of understanding of the topic of this thread?

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Good try in trying to diffuse the conversation, typical liberal move. So you never answered my question that if you are uncomfortable with the gun laws where you're at, then why don't you move?

because the state that sandy hook was in has pretty strict laws and that didn't stop a criminal from doing criminal things and kill people like criminals do

[wargunfan]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Let's repeat this again, please.

A new gun is registered with the BATF, with the name and address of the original buyer.

If that gun is used in a crime, the authorities will try and track down that original owner.

If the original owner sold the weapon, hopefully he or she were smart enough to keep paperwork on it. If the gun was stolen, hopefully the original owner alerted the authorities.

If the original owner of a gun that was used in a crime was not smart enough to do all this, then he has some 'splaining to do.

Again, this whole "registering a firearm" is just a straw man. It is very hard to make a case that gun registration in excess of what happens now will prevent one single crime.

If a firearm is stolen it should be reported to the police along with the serial number. The firearm then goes into a national database and may be recovered at some future time. I had a pistol stolen from my home while I was away and filed a police report. The pistol was recovered during an arrest in another state and I was able to recover it because of filing the original report. However, I am solidly against any form of forced registration.

[wargunfan]

Originally Posted by gator996

Are you kidding???

In a gun related crime, knowing who owns the gun involved immediately give the police a lead...1st Question "How did your gun end up involved in a crime?"

If you are required to register new gun purchases and report lost or stolen guns then "straw" purchases almost go to zero immediately.

Most guns involved in crime are bought through "straw" purchases and sold in the secondary, private sale market which require no background checks.

If one person buys 100 guns and those guns end up in a whole bunch of crimes then you have much quicker access to the non-responsible gun buyer who's selling guns to criminals.

Isn't that the guys you are worried about?
Protecting yourself against criminals, right?

Wouldn't you want to cut out "straw" purchases if you're a good gun owner?

That won't help law enforcement?

You mean like Fast and Furious? We don't trust this administration full of leftists at all. And you want them toying with gun control??? Not gonna happen.

[wargunfan]

How about we concentrate on forcing the Obama administration to be "law abiding" before we demonize any law abiding citizens. Do you people have a clue what we think of the current crook sitting in the Attorney Generals's office. Do you think for one moment we want this thug turned loose on legal gun owners. Get ready for the fight of your lives.

[Gatoragman]

still want one of you gun control advocates to tell me how many of those over 500 gun deaths since Sandy Hook would have been stopped by the laws you propose.