Didn't the left make a big deal about this "lie"?

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by rivergator

There you go. If say something false now, it's not really false, because it might happen in the future?

Kind of like Obama-care. We vote for it two years ago, not knowing how bad it really is, and then by the time they implement it, it's too late to get rid of it.

[baygator1]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Exactly. Romney said they were moving jobs from Ohio to China. That was false. And it's still false.

It should be much less controversial to say these jobs fall into the categories of saved and/or created. Although I'm not sure the original geographic context was in China.

[malligator]

The difference between you and I is that I can see both ways it could be read. I'm sure you can, too, but you won't admit it. I'm more than willing to admit that your interpretation is the correct one, but choosing the other interpretation makes one incorrect, not the biggest liar in the country. Sort of like saying you can see Russia from Alaska makes one correct, not the biggest idiot in politics, but the media machine is very good at painting a false picture.

If the original quote was "Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Wrangler output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region." then the intrepation would swing more strongly toward your interpretation. Jeep (the brand) starts making one model (the Wrangler) in China with plans to increase the number of models. Instead, they said Jeep (could mean any/all models) and models (could incorrectly mean all cars).

I'm hoping Romney had more intel than just this article which, incidentally, isn't a direct quote so we don't even know if the word 'model' was actually used.

So, I get what you're saying, and, unlike you, am willing to admit it, but I also see another valid interpretation even if I don't think it's correct.

[gatorpa]

Originally Posted by malligator

The difference between you and I is that I can see both ways it could be read. I'm sure you can, too, but you won't admit it. I'm more than willing to admit that your interpretation is the correct one, but choosing the other interpretation makes one incorrect, not the biggest liar in the country. Sort of like saying you can see Russia from Alaska makes one correct, not the biggest idiot in politics, but the media machine is very good at painting a false picture.

If the original quote was "Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Wrangler output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region." then the intrepation would swing more strongly toward your interpretation. Jeep (the brand) starts making one model (the Wrangler) in China with plans to increase the number of models. Instead, they said Jeep (could mean any/all models) and models (could incorrectly mean all cars).

I'm hoping Romney had more intel than just this article which, incidentally, isn't a direct quote so we don't even know if the word 'model' was actually used.

So, I get what you're saying, and, unlike you, am willing to admit it, but I also see another valid interpretation even if I don't think it's correct.

My point exactly

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by mdgator05

The humor is because that isn't what is happening, and yet Dave claimed it was. They are adding jobs in China at the same time as they are adding jobs in the US.

Wow. I thought this was yet another of my mysterious disappearing threads... I'm glad I was able to find it again to see you eat your words.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by rivergator

We already addressed that once. Making some of each Chrysler model in China to sell in China is not the same thing as moving ALL production to China.

Ahhh.. The shifting of the goalposts.

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

Ahhh.. The shifting of the goalposts.

That's your specialty.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

Ahhh.. The shifting of the goalposts.

You know, that's what Romney claimed. That Chrysler was going to s hift all production to China.

[g8orbill]

he said he read a story about it and you libs and the lib press turned it into something it wasn't

[gatordee]

I sure hope we get Ramsey!

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

Wow. I thought this was yet another of my mysterious disappearing threads... I'm glad I was able to find it again to see you eat your words.

I don't think you are understanding what is going on here. We have conclusively proven you wrong. Try to keep up.

Cliff's Notes if you are still having trouble:

1. You claimed that the issue was whether China was going to build a model in China. This was, of course, never the issue.
2. It was shown that the actual dispute was over whether Jeep was going to move all production to China, as Romney claimed (exact quote: "Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China.")
3. It was pointed out that expanding production for one model in China, and considering expanding their Chinese production for all of their models is not the same as thinking about moving all production to China. Jeep has not shifted their production ("moving") but is rather expanding in both the US and China.
4. You impotently claimed victory.