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Old 01-29-2013, 07:23 PM   #1
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Default Office working to close Guantanamo is closed

Does this mean Obama is a neo-con? So predictable.

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The State Department on Monday reassigned Daniel Fried, the special envoy for closing the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and will not replace him, according to an internal personnel announcement. Mr. Fried’s office is being closed, and his former responsibilities will be “assumed” by the office of the department’s legal adviser, the notice said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/us...son.html?_r=1&

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Old 01-29-2013, 07:33 PM   #2
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As President, I will close Guantanamo, reject the Military Commissions Act and adhere to the Geneva Conventions. Our Constitution and our Uniform Code of Military Justice provide a framework for dealing with the terrorists.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:40 PM   #3
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Actually, Wilson's claim was about benefits for illegal immigrants in the health care bill. And Wilson was, course, completely wrong.

As far as Guantanamo, conservatives should be happy and liberals upset, right?
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I was speaking in general terms. Joe Wilson was right. Obama is a liar.

Americans are safer now that Obama lied, in this case. Liberals are not pleased, but in the long run, even Obama realized that America was better off keeping many of the programs set into motion by Bush, no matter hoe much he complained about them as a Senator.

Obama has lied many times. It is true. This is one case in which he lied.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:18 AM   #5
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What's this nonsense about being safer now than such and such a time? Frankly, I believe I was safer in the midst of the Cold War. At least adults were running the world back then, from the president down to the local schoolteachers.
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The Cold War. Good times, indeed. But alas, those foes have been vanquished and a new foe has stepped to the forefront. This new foe will not be subdued using the same methods used against the Red Menace.

We are not safer now than we were during the Cold War era. In fact, we are much, MUCH more in danger. Not because of the new foe we face, particularly, but because Americans, in general, don't have the stomach to fight this war the way it needs to be fought.

Obama figured it out. And he is not the brightest bulb in the box.
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The Cold War. Good times, indeed. But alas, those foes have been vanquished and a new foe has stepped to the forefront.
How convenient. One bogeyman - the Soviet Union - exits the world stage and another - Al-Qaeda - quickly takes its place. You couldn't write a better script for the Military-Industrial Complex than that.

It's kind of funny how the Cato Institute saw it coming, even as far back as 1992:

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Now that the Cold War is becoming a memory, America's foreign policy establishment has begun searching for new enemies. Possible new villains include "instability" in Europe --ranging from German resurgence to new Russian imperialism-- the "vanishing" ozone layer, nuclear proliferation, and narcoterrorism. Topping the list of potential new global bogeymen, however, are the Yellow Peril, the alleged threat to American economic security emanating from East Asia, and the so-called Green Peril (green is the color of Islam). That peril is symbolized by the Middle Eastern Moslem fundamentalist--the "Fundie," to use a term coined by The Economist--a Khomeini-like creature, armed with a radical ideology, equipped with nuclear weapons, and intent on launching a violent jihad against Western civilization.

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There are dangerous signs that the process of creating a monolithic threat out of isolated events and trends in the Moslem world is already beginning. The Green Peril thesis is now being used to explain diverse and unrelated events in that region, with Tehran replacing Moscow as the center of ideological subversion and military expansionism and Islam substituting for the spiritual energy of communism.
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Are you saying that al-Queda is NOT a threat to America?

BTW, it happens long before 1992. Does the term "Iranian hostage crisis" ring any bells?
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Actually, Wilson's claim was about benefits for illegal immigrants in the health care bill. And Wilson was, course, completely wrong.

As far as Guantanamo, conservatives should be happy and liberals upset, right?
No they will continue to drive up costs on healthcare and are exempt from paying the taxes asociated with AHA. That is how stupid this legislation is and now all out taxes are going to go through the roof.
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Are you saying that al-Queda is NOT a threat to America?
Al-Qaeda is little more than a socket puppet terror organization for hire, and only as dangerous as we and other state sponsors pay them to be. Did you notice whose side they were fighting on in Libya and now Syria?

I'll bet you think that's just a coincidence.

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BTW, it happens long before 1992. Does the term "Iranian hostage crisis" ring any bells?
I'll do you one better.

Does the name Mohammad Mosaddegh ring any bells?
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Wait, do you seriously think that Libya and Syria are straightforward bilateral conflicts?
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Why, what do you have in mind? You figure Al-Qaeda "rebels" just dropped in to both theaters to help NATO and those aligned with NATO for the hell of it?
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... that independently interested parties can have coinciding objectives? There are like a half-dozen or so mutually exclusive agendas in Syria being lumped in as "the rebels" for instance. One of the biggest complaints about international involvement in Syria is the unfeasability of knowing which one you should help, or even actually are helping.
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... that independently interested parties can have coinciding objectives? There are like a half-dozen or so mutually exclusive agendas in Syria being lumped in as "the rebels" for instance. One of the biggest complaints about international involvement in Syria is the unfeasability of knowing which one you should help, or even actually are helping.
Sure, that makes a nice cover story and all, but it doesn't make one iota of sense.

If you believe the propaganda we've been fed, Al-Qaeda is supposed to be our primary enemy in that region. After all, as the story goes, they "attacked" us on 9/11. Libya and Syria didn't attack us, Al-Qaeda did. Al-Qaeda is our number one enemy, and we - the Great Satan - are their number one enemy.

With that in mind, do you honestly believe that it makes any sense that they'd take our side, and we theirs, in deposing Qaddafi and Assad? Not a chance. That makes no sense at all. If anything, Al-Qaeda should have sided with Qaddafi and Assad to stick it to us and NATO, but they didn't. They are fighting ON OUR SIDE, and we're more than happy to have the help.

There's a reason for this. I'll save you the suspense of trying to figure it out:

The 9/11 narrative is false, and always has been. You've been had.
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I guess if one was so inclined, they could convince themselves of any conspiracy thereby proving, in their own minds anyway, that the world is out to get them.

I am not so inclined.

Please... Do carry on.
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I've posted this short video before, but I believe it's essential in understanding the nature of an organization like Al-Qaeda and why they've gone from being our supposed enemy on 9/11 to our cozy bedfellow in Libya and Syria.

Al-Qaeda fighters are the modern version of privateers:

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I guess if one was so inclined, they could convince themselves of any conspiracy thereby proving, in their own minds anyway, that the world is out to get them.

I am not so inclined.

Please... Do carry on.
You mean, kind of like the way you've convinced yourself that Al-Qaeda is out to get you?
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Just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean that they're not out to get you.

Peace bro.
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