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[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by helix139

Are you sure about that under a body alarm reaction when you have tunnel vision and can't really focus well on your sights? Even those who train constantly struggle to be accurate under those conditions. FWIW, the wound channels of a 230g .45ACP is not significantly different than a 147g 9mm in modern defensive ammo, and this is especially true when the .45ACP is shot out of a barrel that starts to approach 3.5". I also think it's unwise to count on a gun fight being over in 1-3 shots. While that may usually be the case, I'd rather plan for the worst.

IMO, .45ACP is a great platform in a full size gun like the 1911, but in a compact platform there are just too many reasons to go for one of the smaller standard calibers.

I'm sure of how I would react. I've trained a lot for a home invasion or a personal encounter assault. It would be reflex. I've fired into ballistics gels at a law enforcement center near me with officers before, and let me say, a single .45 jhp, especially a designed personal defense round like I use, will do as much damage as two average market 9mm jhp rounds place together.

The difference of the larger or smaller calibers is usually stopping power and whether or not the gun owner is capable of handling the recoil. Most of the well-built larger caliber conceal pistols today have minimum recoil, especially with a steel chassis.

I'm a big strong guy, so the recoil won't bother me much, if at all.

[GolphinGator]

I bought the M&P Shield in 9mm because it is thinner and I can CC it here in Florida in the summer. I have a 45 and a 12 GA for home or vehicle but they are not something I want to CC. I already had a Taurus Slim709 and have been looking for the Shield because I think it is a better gun.

[King8r]

Grey,
I appreciate your confidence in the .45acp, and your skill level. But please don't get lulled into the concept of the "one shot stop." The newest advances in production, and resultant testing, have shown there is little difference in quality self-defense ammo in the major calibers (9mm, .40sw, .45, .357). And none are overtly powerful enough to guarantee one shot stops. I've seen many gunshot wounds up close, and actual video of a perpetrator taking multiple rounds of 00 buck while he continued to fight back.
This is why many experts, such as Clint Smith, state, "The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down."


Shoot what you shoot best, and practice, practice, practice. I really think Helix said it best...

Originally Posted by helix139

IMO, pick the carry gun that you can shoot with the best balance of speed and accuracy with and that fits best in your hand and don't worry too much about caliber. All else equal, yes go for the larger caliber. All else is rarely equal, though, as recoil, capacity, size, and ability to buy, find, and shoot ammo can all figure in.

[helix139]

Originally Posted by King8r

Grey,
I appreciate your confidence in the .45acp, and your skill level. But please don't get lulled into the concept of the "one shot stop." The newest advances in production, and resultant testing, have shown there is little difference in quality self-defense ammo in the major calibers (9mm, .40sw, .45, .357). And none are overtly powerful enough to guarantee one shot stops. I've seen many gunshot wounds up close, and actual video of a perpetrator taking multiple rounds of 00 buck while he continued to fight back.
This is why many experts, such as Clint Smith, state, "The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down."


Shoot what you shoot best, and practice, practice, practice. I really think Helix said it best...

Yep. You're not going to knock someone off their feet even with a 1oz slug or 00 buckshot at close range. Think about it: the force of the shot upon the target will never be greater than the force upon the shooter in the form of recoil. There are only two ways to stop a human being with a gun: a hit to the CNS, excessive blood loss, or fear. #1 is hard under stress, you can't count on #3, and #2 happens faster the more rounds said person has in them. Give me significantly higher capacity and faster follow up shots over a larger bullet any day.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by King8r

Grey,
I appreciate your confidence in the .45acp, and your skill level. But please don't get lulled into the concept of the "one shot stop." The newest advances in production, and resultant testing, have shown there is little difference in quality self-defense ammo in the major calibers (9mm, .40sw, .45, .357). And none are overtly powerful enough to guarantee one shot stops. I've seen many gunshot wounds up close, and actual video of a perpetrator taking multiple rounds of 00 buck while he continued to fight back.
This is why many experts, such as Clint Smith, state, "The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down."


Shoot what you shoot best, and practice, practice, practice. I really think Helix said it best...

You're preaching to the choir.

[PIMking]

357sig and call it and whatever you shot a day