Schuttie = no class...

[gatorr4life]

Up by 16 on poor ole Eastside highschool, and she keeps sending runners. The game was well in hand, and the run rule was already out of reach, believe it or not. I believe it was already past the fifth inning. She kept stealing, and kept sending runners, making sure she put a 20 spot on Eastside. Why, I have no clue...When asked why she did it, she replied with, " they're going on their own". Stay classy, schuttie...stay classy....

[WESGATORS]

Strongly disagree. If you play by the rules and compete in a fair manner, then you are not being classless. There is no such thing as RUTS in baseball or in softball because there is always enough time for a comeback. If the other team has had enough, let them quit.

Sports is about competition, and you compete until you can't compete any more. I've been on the losing end of some pretty big blowouts in various sports (most of us have at some point, right?), and I've always wanted to compete for the sake of competing. We need to stop teaching people that they're supposed to be offended when the other team is really good (what benefit does that provide?).

I've coached youth soccer...kids that can't or otherwise don't tally up the scores. They have no idea they're getting blown out, and they're having a blast. Parents and coaches are the ones that end up teaching these kids that it's mean-spirited or otherwise not nice to RUTS, and I think that is a disservice to the children. Sometimes life hands us a butt-whoopin' and you need to suck it up and figure out a way to pick yourself back up. But this isn't even life, it's just a game. There should be nothing that one gets offended by when the other team is playing by the rules of the game. Just my two bits.

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,WESGATORS

[WESGATORS]

I know 10 runs isn't 16 runs, but here's an example from just last year of a team rallying:

http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index....=8621&TeamID=2

Who gets to decide how many runs is enough?

FLORIDA baseball once almost came back from a 13-run deficit to win a game. Late in a game against Stetson (I think it was 17-4, rallied to tie, and Stetson scored 4 late to win 21-17).

Here's an article on the baseball game (it was 17-3 that the GATORS trailed...going to the bottom of the 7th):
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...hatters-inning

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,WESGATORS

[medigator]

Spurrier and I would agree with you Wes !

[gtr2x]

As long as you don't mind the other team's pitcher putting one in your ear one day, no problem with running up the score. I think you see a lot more blowout scores in girls hs sports. There always seem to be a few super teams that kill everybody else. My guess is that the OP has a connection to the Eastside team.

And I've coached a lot of youth teams where supposedly the score wasn't kept, but the kids always knew, especially if one team was dominant.

[anstro76]

isn't it one of those unspoken baseball rules stealing bases or bunting players over with a huge lead gets a batter one in the rib cage?

[WESGATORS]

All due respect to 74, gtj31, and all the Nolan Ryan fans out there, but I've always thought it a bit weird that a player holding a bat is supposed to somehow be viewed as inferior to a player holding a ball. I don't mind if you throw at my head if you don't mind if I swing at your head. Or...pitch the strike zone, and I'll swing at the strike zone. Again, what's the point of teaching kids to be offended by facing a better opponent? It makes no sense, so why do we do it? Simple solution: don't do it.

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,WESGATORS

[gatorr4life]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

I know 10 runs isn't 16 runs, but here's an example from just last year of a team rallying:

http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index....=8621&TeamID=2

Who gets to decide how many runs is enough?

FLORIDA baseball once almost came back from a 13-run deficit to win a game. Late in a game against Stetson (I think it was 17-4, rallied to tie, and Stetson scored 4 late to win 21-17).

Here's an article on the baseball game (it was 17-3 that the GATORS trailed...going to the bottom of the 7th):
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...hatters-inning

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Way to find the exception to the rule. Lol please, spare me. When ur up that big, in softball, you leave the bag early, and hurry up and get the game over with. Until you've been part of getting run ruled numerous times, don't bother interjecting your wasted efforts. Not trying to bash you, just calling it like I've seen it. My guess is that it's her first year coaching and she doesn't understand this. Whatever... Not that big of a deal.

[Gatorryder]

Probably got that from Coach Walton when we ran all over UCLA in the last game of the 2011 Regional after scoring 9 in the first inning. UCLA was run-ruled 11-3. I remember that the UCLA coach was so mad when Walton had them stealing time after time.

Of course, having lost to UCLA 16-3 the year before in the WCWS UCLA got off lucky.

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by gatorr4life

Way to find the exception to the rule. Lol please, spare me.

Serious questions...what should the limit be? and why?

Originally Posted by gatorr4life

Whatever... Not that big of a deal.

I think this is how most people feel about RUTS in general. Why teach kids to be offended by such things?

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,WESGATORS

[gatorbogey]

rivalry game? that might effect whether you show any sort of mercy or not.

also, history? new coach probably doesn't have the experience. but there are some that have experienced taking their foot off the pedal and it came back to bite them

if they were going on their own, then it's something a new coach will learn.
signal them to not run.

[DreadnaughtCane]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

I think this is how most people feel about RUTS in general. Why teach kids to be offended by such things?

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,WESGATORS

I'm more concerned with what the WINNING team is being taught. How about respecting your opponent and not rubbing their noses in it? Eastside is winless. You know when an opponent isn't going to make a miracle 16-run comeback. Why teach your kids to kick someone when they are down and can't get up?

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by DreadnaughtCane

I'm more concerned with what the WINNING team is being taught.

Hopefully they're being taught how to have fun.

Originally Posted by DreadnaughtCane

How about respecting your opponent and not rubbing their noses in it?

Usually "rubbing their noses in it" is a phrase reserved for taunting. If you're playing a game by the rules, how is that rubbing someone's nose in it? That doesn't make any sense. Hopefully the inferior team appreciates the extra time they have to work on what they need to get better at. Why the need to emotionally dramatize the situation?

Originally Posted by DreadnaughtCane

Eastside is winless. You know when an opponent isn't going to make a miracle 16-run comeback. Why teach your kids to kick someone when they are down and can't get up?

Why are you assuming that an athlete would rather have a team show them mercy than to continue to give them opportunities to compete at a higher level? That makes no sense to me. And I say that from having been on the losing side of such games. Same (unanswered) question to you...how much is enough? Maybe Eastside shouldn't schedule Oak Hall any more if they feel it's too tall an order.

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,WESGATORS

[DreadnaughtCane]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

If you're playing a game by the rules, how is that rubbing someone's nose in it? That doesn't make any sense.

If that's how you truly feel (which I doubt; nice job of playing devil's advocate ), then watch what happens next time you see a 15-0 stolen base in a college or pro game. A ball is going into a rib cage or behind someone's head.

As for how much is enough, it's when you know the other team cannot come back. If UF is beating South Carolina 10-0 in the third, you keep playing the game. If UF is beating FAMU 14-0 in the 7th, that game is over. There is 0% chance that Sully has runners on the move in that second scenario.

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by DreadnaughtCane

If that's how you truly feel (which I doubt; nice job of playing devil's advocate ), then watch what happens next time you see a 15-0 stolen base in a college or pro game. A ball is going into a rib cage or behind someone's head.

As for how much is enough, it's when you know the other team cannot come back. If UF is beating South Carolina 10-0 in the third, you keep playing the game. If UF is beating FAMU 14-0 in the 7th, that game is over. There is 0% chance that Sully has runners on the move in that second scenario.

I'm not playing devil's advocate. I think it's silly for grown men to get upset about kids playing in a competition...particularly when everybody is playing by the rules. What you look forward to in retribution for such an act is what I would call "classless." If there is an objective criteria, then put it in the rule book. If there's not, then quit complaining about it (in my opinion, of course).

As I mentioned, kids are going to find out a lot more about inequalities in life that are completely out of their control. Quit the helicopter parenting, and let the kids learn how to fail and fail hard if that's part of what's in store for them. Some of the most successful people in life are products of rallying from incredible deficits in their life. And still, we're only talking about the results of a game. Just a really bizarre thing to get offended about in my world.

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,WESGATORS

[DreadnaughtCane]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

I'm not playing devil's advocate. I think it's silly for grown men to get upset about kids playing in a competition...particularly when everybody is playing by the rules. What you look forward to in retribution for such an act is what I would call "classless." If there is an objective criteria, then put it in the rule book. If there's not, then quit complaining about it (in my opinion, of course).

As I mentioned, kids are going to find out a lot more about inequalities in life that are completely out of their control. Quit the helicopter parenting, and let the kids learn how to fail and fail hard if that's part of what's in store for them. Some of the most successful people in life are products of rallying from incredible deficits in their life. And still, we're only talking about the results of a game. Just a really bizarre thing to get offended about in my world.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

As I said before, I'm more concerned with the WINNING attitude than the losing attitude. I don't care about kids getting offended. We agree there: suck it up, because life doesn't do you any favors. But there is a much greater lesson that can be taught to the players on the winning team. In real life you don't keep your foot on the throat of people who are beneath you.

[atlg8rfan]

I coached travel ball and high school softball for a number of years and I would NEVER have runners running in that situation. In fastpitch softball, a 16-run spread obviously means the talent difference is night and day different and there is virtually NO chance of a comeback.

She should have had runners leaving bases early for the automatic out or had batters bunting the ball straight back to the pitcher for easy outs. I've done both.

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by DreadnaughtCane

As I said before, I'm more concerned with the WINNING attitude than the losing attitude.

I already addressed this, but I agree that it is an attitude that requires coaching. Kids need to learn how to deal with success and they need to learn how to deal with failure. There is definitely a wrong way to handle it, but that it can occur is hardly a condemnation on its existence. Managed properly, the kids on BOTH sides can still have fun with it. That's what is most important. The coach that doesn't help their kids have fun with it (or at a minimum get better from it) is the real point of failure. Sometimes I think we take sports too seriously if we're going to allow kids to draw too much of a conclusion from a sports butt whoopin'.

Originally Posted by DreadnaughtCane

I don't care about kids getting offended. We agree there: suck it up, because life doesn't do you any favors.

I agree with you here, but that seems to be the basis for the complaint. If the concern is strictly in how the victorious kids will handle themselves, then I agree it's a valid concern, but not necessarily one that can be expected to be mismanaged.

Originally Posted by DreadnaughtCane

But there is a much greater lesson that can be taught to the players on the winning team. In real life you don't keep your foot on the throat of people who are beneath you.

I think your analogy is a bit exaggerated. Sports are not life or death. But if you want to compare it to real life...if you perform at a higher level than your competitor to the point that your competitor may lose his job if you don't slow down...should you slow down and help a man out or should you press harder and validate your worth in what you do? I don't think anybody can reasonably expect a person to slow down in the real world when it comes to earning a living.

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,WESGATORS

[medigator]

Hmmm Friday night we were up by 20+ and Billy puts in all subs who promptly scored twice and were shooting threes at the buzzer ! I guess Billy was running up the score huh ? Bullshit ! How do you tell kids that dont get to play very often if at all , to not score or try to score ? As Spurriers father said they put a scoreboard up there and its your responsibilty to score and their responsibility to stop you....

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by medigator

Hmmm Friday night we were up by 20+ and Billy puts in all subs who promptly scored twice and were shooting threes at the buzzer ! I guess Billy was running up the score huh ? Bullshit ! How do you tell kids that dont get to play very often if at all , to not score or try to score ? As Spurriers father said they put a scoreboard up there and its your responsibilty to score and their responsibility to stop you....

I was thinking about this thread as Ogbueze launched a 3 with 16 seconds left on the clock (and up by 32 points). And in hoops it's different because you can't always say "there's time for a comeback." The GATORS have been on the other side of the coin and I've felt no differently. I honestly don't get what the big deal is.

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,WESGATORS