Rumors of something big about to break at Texas

[HudsonGator]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

For Kearns it was an athlete wasn't it? I mean the reason that things like that and Petrino cost jobs isn't the sex it's the possibility of favoritism, if an unmarried coach bangs her/his way through fraternity/sorority row good for her/him as long as no one's hurt and it's all consensual (married I'd have a problem but on a moral side not an employment see unless it hurt recruiting)-- so long as no one is getting a job, a starting spot etc out of it.

I disagree, I don't think a coach should ever date a student.

If I were an AD, I would insist that all the coaches that I hired have a moral turpitude clause in their contracts, with sexual relationships with a student being a specific example of prohibited conduct.

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[atlantagator86]

Originally Posted by oragator1

Actually I am on my phone so I won't be able to find it, but allegedly her contention is apparently that a bunch of other "sexual" cases occurred while she was there and were swept under the rug, so she believes she was treated unfairly relative to others in a similar position. It has the potential to make a lot of people look bad.

That may be correct. But I guess don't understand why that would be such a big concern. Some reputations may be tarnished but I can't imagine the school getting in a lot of trouble.

In my opinion, the difference in how Kearney was treated is based not on sex or race, but on the fact that, if I understand correctly, it was one of the athletes she coached. They haven't identified the athlete as far as I know, but everything I've seen directly suggests that the it was one of the girls on the track team she directly coached.

That, in my opinion, is COMPLETELY different from a coach having a relationship with a student or Applewhite having a relationship with a team trainer. Not that those aren't bad too.

But it would be a similar situation to the difference between a professor having an affair with a student in their class versus a student not in their class. A student in the class could be getting preferential treatment, which in my opinion makes it much worse.

A student athlete having a relationship with their coach could be getting preferential treatment as well, which I think also makes it much worse and might be an NCAA violation on top of everything else.

If Muschamp was having a consensual affair with one of our football players, I fully expect he'd be fired on the spot, just like she was.

[oragator1]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

That may be correct. But I guess don't understand why that would be such a big concern. Some reputations may be tarnished but I can't imagine the school getting in a lot of trouble.

In my opinion, the difference in how Kearney was treated is based not on sex or race, but on the fact that, if I understand correctly, it was one of the athletes she coached. They haven't identified the athlete as far as I know, but everything I've seen directly suggests that the it was one of the girls on the track team she directly coached.

That, in my opinion, is COMPLETELY different from a coach having a relationship with a student or Applewhite having a relationship with a team trainer. Not that those aren't bad too.

But it would be a similar situation to the difference between a professor having an affair with a student in their class versus a student not in their class. A student in the class could be getting preferential treatment, which in my opinion makes it much worse.

A student athlete having a relationship with their coach could be getting preferential treatment as well, which I think also makes it much worse and might be an NCAA violation on top of everything else.

If Muschamp was having a consensual affair with one of our football players, I fully expect he'd be fired on the spot, just like she was.

I don't think they are worried about the NCAA, I think they are worried about their athletic department getting blown up starting with Dodds and down to anyone he covered for, plus the reputational embarrassment they would suffer on top of all the other ignominious stuff of the last few years.
In fact several people I saw were not happy it didn't come to pass yet, because they were hoping it would have been a chance to get rid of Dodds and Brown lol.

[atlantagator86]

Originally Posted by oragator1

I don't think they are worried about the NCAA, I think they are worried about their athletic department getting blown up starting with Dodds and down to anyone he covered for, plus the reputational embarrassment they would suffer on top of all the other ignominious stuff of the last few years.
In fact several people I saw were not happy it didn't come to pass yet, because they were hoping it would have been a chance to get rid of Dodds and Brown lol.

I get what you're saying but I don't understand why they're so concerned, unless there are multiple other cases.

According to a USA Today article, what Applewhite did is not even against school policy, as the student was an adult and it was reported at the time.

The University of Texas' policy for faculty and staff strongly discourages but does not prohibit consensual relationships between staff and students or subordinates. The policy requires the staff member to disclose the relationship to a supervisor and "cooperate in making alternative arrangements for the supervision, evaluation, teaching, grading or advising of the employee, student and/or student employee."

Applewhite either reported it or was caught and reprimanded within about a month of the incident and it was not an athlete or anybody he had direct supervision of I don't believe. What Applewhite did was not against policy and was handled within the school policy.

Kearney never reported her relationship with an athlete she directly coached, which directly violates the policy and didn't admit the relationship until confronted years after the relationship when the student told the school about it, so she basically covered it up.

I'm not debating this with you. I'm simply stating that what Kearney did, in my opinion, is SO much worse than what Applewhite did on multiple levels.

If she and her lawyer have other incidents they can prove of truly similar situations, then maybe there's something more to this, but I think both the Applewhite and Kearney situation were handled appropriately and the school shouldn't have much to worry about. Unless she's got stronger instances to show.

[theologator]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

For Kearns it was an athlete wasn't it? I mean the reason that things like that and Petrino cost jobs isn't the sex it's the possibility of favoritism, if an unmarried coach bangs her/his way through fraternity/sorority row good for her/him as long as no one's hurt and it's all consensual (married I'd have a problem but on a moral side not an employment see unless it hurt recruiting)-- so long as no one is getting a job, a starting spot etc out of it.

Does anyone know the answer to my previous question, can the NCAA do anything about a coach if he's currently employed but not at the school whether violations occurred? I mean "show cause" doesn't matter if you already have a job right?

I can't answer conclusively, but there has been a lot if speculation that the former Miami hoops coach -Frank Haith - now at Mizzou could get nailed with that 'show cause' and lose his job.

Just from memory, I think Kelvin Sampson's troubles at OU followed him to IU. His firing wasn't forced per se by the NCAA but IU washed him away and he's been in the pros ever since. That may have been a preemptive move by IU.

[NorthCaptivaGator]

Originally Posted by theologator

I can't answer conclusively, but there has been a lot if speculation that the former Miami hoops coach -Frank Haith - now at Mizzou could get nailed with that 'show cause' and lose his job.

Just from memory, I think Kelvin Sampson's troubles at OU followed him to IU. His firing wasn't forced per se by the NCAA but IU washed him away and he's been in the pros ever since. That may have been a preemptive move by IU.

No, he cheated at IU as well

[geauxgator1]

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