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tilly · 03-09-2013, 02:51 PM

...that close road losses mean NOTHING come tournament time.

What matters is how you played at home and in neutral site games.

Everyone relax. I think this team cruises next weekend and hits the big dance looking just fine.

BengermanV · 03-09-2013, 02:59 PM

Yeah, the close losses worried me earlier in the season (figured we would lose some more close games on the road, which we did) but at this point it really means nothing. We'll be fine.

**luciaboy** · 03-09-2013, 03:09 PM

seems to me these exact sentiments were said after the losses to arky, mizzou, tenn and now uk. i hope we don't have the same results at neutral sites

xenythx · 03-09-2013, 03:10 PM

Does he have data about teams that go on extended scoring droughts?

LoyalGatorFan · 03-09-2013, 03:13 PM

It really comes down to how you define a "good team." Take Indiana and Florida for example....Indiana has road losses @ Illinois and Minnesota.....they have home losses to Wisconsin (a team we blew out) and Ohio St (good team but not great)...they also have a neutral loss vs Butler who is fading fast....

Take Florida....undefeated at home....6 road losses with only one of those involving us never being in the game and having a chance (Arky).....so who's resume would you say is better? Just looking at losses only because yes I know Indy has better wins than we do playing in a tougher conference....my point tho is for all the complaining we do on here, other teams have their own issues as well....

tegator80 · 03-09-2013, 03:17 PM

The main problem during the tournament is that many of the attendees are uncoconnected to the teams playing until the underdog looks like it has a chance. Then the game becomes more like an away game for the lower seeded team. Being a 3 or 4 seed means that we will be in that place for the first two rounds.

xenythx · 03-09-2013, 03:18 PM

What happens when we get put in the Lexington regional and all the Kentucky fans that have bought up tickets start cheering against us?

G8R92 · 03-09-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xenythx

Does he have data about teams that go on extended scoring droughts?

Or if the entire stadium remains standing for the final 8 minutes?

WESGATORS · 03-09-2013, 03:31 PM

Fans have a tendency to exaggerate after a win or after a loss. After a loss, some fans find it necessary to describe that the loss is a part of a larger curse that is bound to doom the team to a disappointing finish. No statistical analysis or identification of a reason for optimism will change that. In fairness, the opposite thing can be found after a win.

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,WESGATORS

tilly · 03-09-2013, 03:34 PM

If its close vs. A cream puff the road crowd factor on a neutral court applies. If two high ranked teams play it evens out.

We will kill the cream puffs.

**RealGatorFan** · 03-09-2013, 03:48 PM

Close losses do matter in the way the game finished. If you scrapped and battled and lost at the end it's far better than having a lead and not scoring a point the final 8 minutes.

Brodeur · 03-09-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xenythx

What happens when we get put in the Lexington regional and all the Kentucky fans that have bought up tickets start cheering against us?

Not sure, but today's loss makes it less likely that UF is placed in Lexington. Miami likely jumps UF today, taking the second Lexington spot and shipping UF to Austin.

If UF wins the SECT and Miami doesn't win the ACCT, then UF probably moves back to getting a spot in Lexington.

**mdgator05** · 03-09-2013, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

Fans have a tendency to exaggerate after a win or after a loss. After a loss, some fans find it necessary to describe that the loss is a part of a larger curse that is bound to doom the team to a disappointing finish. No statistical analysis or identification of a reason for optimism will change that. In fairness, the opposite thing can be found after a win.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

In the end, find a statistical analysis that disputes the fact that we are currently 0-6 on the road against NIT/NCAA level competition (counting a neutral site loss as a road game as it was close to the other team's campus).

WESGATORS · 03-09-2013, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mdgator05

In the end, find a statistical analysis that disputes the fact that we are currently 0-6 on the road against NIT/NCAA level competition (counting a neutral site loss as a road game as it was close to the other team's campus).

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask.../teams/rpi/FLA

SWAC and LSU are likely in the mix for the NIT. I'm sure you don't want to count the "neutral site" win against Middle Tennessee, but that doesn't matter anyway.

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,WESGATORS

**mdgator05** · 03-09-2013, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask.../teams/rpi/FLA

SWAC and LSU are likely in the mix for the NIT. I'm sure you don't want to count the "neutral site" win against Middle Tennessee, but that doesn't matter anyway.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

So we are 0-3 on the road against top 50 teams and 3-5 on the road against Top 100 teams. By point of comparison:

Louisville: Top 50 on the road: 3-2 Top 100: 3-3.
New Mexico: Top 50 on the road: 3-3 Top 100: 6-3.
Kansas: Top 50 on the road: 4-1 Top 100: 4-1.
Michigan: Top 50 on the road: 2-3 Top 100: 2-3.
Georgetown: Top 50 on the road: 4-1 Top 100: 5-2.
Miami: Top 50 on the road: 2-1 Top 100: 5-1.
Michigan State: Top 50 on the road: 1-5 Top 100: 3-5.
Arizona: Top 50 on the road: 0-3. Top 100: 2-4.

So of the teams we are competing against (I didn't include Duke, Indiana, or Gonzaga as they are currently not too controversial as 1 seeds), we are 7th or 8th best (2nd or 3rd worst) on the road. That is a big deal. Those 9 teams will span from the last 1 to the last 3 if the tournament started today. And we play in the weakest conference of any of those teams, which further hurts us while helping a team like Michigan State. And Arizona beat us head-to-head.

And no, Tampa against MTSU is not really neutral site. Neither is South Florida against Air Force. Nor Kansas City against K-State.

rtgator · 03-09-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by xenythx

Does he have data about teams that go on extended scoring droughts?

Louisville just went five minutes without scoring against ND.

It happens to good teams.

**mdgator05** · 03-09-2013, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtgator

Louisville just went five minutes without scoring against ND.

It happens to good teams.

It was actually a bit short of 4 minutes between points.

More than 50% longer, and it would be the same as our drought today. And they still won by 16. Against a ranked team.

WESGATORS · 03-09-2013, 07:58 PM

MD, bait and switch, the whole point of the thread is about whether or not it can be expected to have any impact on Tournament performance.

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