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Old 03-08-2013, 02:28 PM   #1
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We are five years into Obama’s presidency and many on this site are still spewing Bush hate and blame as an excuse for Obama’s inability or unwillingness to seriously tackle our spending problem. What is it with you libbies – a continuing soft bigotry of low expectations for our black president, a fundamental misunderstanding of historical economic and political policy or blindness caused by a side show issue like gay marriage? I believe everyone deserves blame for the mess we’re in but some of you continue to give Obama and the dems a pass at Bush’s expense. Well, maybe a few reminders of what transpired prior to 2009 are needed to put the silly Bush talk behind us so we can have an intellectually honest discussion going forward:

Let me start by providing you with a historical summary of federal spending. During the Clinton years, spending as a percentage of GDP averaged 19.81%, a fraction of one basis point more than average spending during the Bush years:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=200

In short, despite massive defense cuts, record dotcom induced revenues and conservative spending policies pushed on him by a republican congress, Clinton managed to spend more as a % of GDP during his two terms than Bush did. Is there any evidence that Clinton wisely invested the “peace dividend”?

And what about housing finance policies during the Clinton years? I think this Canadian blog post does a good job of addressing it: http://pithocrates.com/tag/artificia...nterest-rates/

“The subprime mortgage crisis caused the Great Recession. And bad government policy caused the subprime mortgage policy. First with artificially low interest rates to encourage everyone to borrow money and take on enormous amounts of debt. Then the Clinton administration took it up a notch. By charging lenders with discrimination in their lending practices.”

So Bush comes to office in 2001 in the midst of a recession, Clinton era intelligence failures and the beginning of a housing market bubble. 9/11 happens and the market tanks. Bush cuts taxes in 2003 to stimulate the economy, revenues increase for four consecutive years, including to levels during 2006-2008 that exceeded the last two years of the Clinton administration and then the housing market crashes:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Column...ked.aspx#page1

As the article indicates, “the Bush tax cuts get the blame from Democrats and the media for our current deficit problem”. How convenient. Libbies can’t focus too heavily on Bush’s excessive spending because despite the cost of our war effort, he kept spending at %GDP levels below Clinton and of course, their power is primarily derived from distributing tax revenue. And they won’t dare focus attention on the housing finance debacle because they are primarily responsible for causing the problem and fighting republican efforts to solve it.

In 2005, three+ years before the crash, the pubs passed strict lending standards in the house that was blocked by Senate dems. Remember Barney:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...annie_freddie/

“So he initially supported a Republican measure in 2005 that would have imposed stricter standards on the lenders. But he voted against it in the full chamber because it did not include funding for affordable housing, he said. The bill passed the House.”

So, where did Obama, the second biggest recipient of Fannie/Freddie donations, stand on Fannie and Freddie reform in 2005:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/1...reddie-reform/

“That claim has come in two presidential debates. Peter Wallison reminds Wall Street Journal readers of the obvious in pointing out that Obama serves as a Senator and had the power to draft legislation, not letters, to prevent the collapse. Instead, Obama voted present.”

That’s right libbies, he voted present – a bad habit he brought with him from his days in the Illinois legislature. Unfortunately, as far as the spending debate is concerned, Obama’s not present, he’s absent. He’s still in campaign mode and pushing for more taxes when we all know we don’t have a revenue problem:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybens...-2013-n1525996

“By the end of the current budget window, the annual deficit will climb back into the trillion-dollar range -- again, despite higher-than-average revenues (as a percentage of GDP), much higher raw revenues (in dollars), and much lower defense spending (also as a percentage of GDP).”

So don’t be a “Denialist Democrat”. It’s about time you libbies shelved your Bush hate and focused on how we can best cut spending and stimulate growth by reducing the capital being extracted from the private sector.
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:21 PM   #2
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You are absolutely correct in your analysis. But do you really think these lefties can even comprehend what you say. They are so brainwashed that reality doesn't even come into play.

Here is a simple example. The left blames Bush for EVERYTHING. Reality is that it was Reid and Pelosi's congress after 2006. After this is when all hell breaks loose. Reid and Pelosi did nothing to solve the impending economic crisis. I would assert that they are the main cause of what ended up happening, not Bush.

Now they blame EVERYTHING on merely 1/2 of congress - the republican House of course. Since it is a fellow lunatic in the oval office there is now no blame put on the president. How can all of the blame pre Obama be on the president and none of the current blame be on the president. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
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If it's so easy to cut spending why did Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II all add to the national debt. When Obama took office in January 2009 there was $10.5 trillion in debt on the books that was largely run up under republican administrations since 1980. Was John McCain going to slash spending during a severe economic recession followed by a slow growth economy? No. Mitt Romney wasn’t committed to cutting anything but PBS funding. Once again, if republicans want spending cut so badly, what is stopping them from coming forward with their own plan to cut a trillion dollar deficit without raising any more tax revenue. They want Obama to do it so they can blame him for the economic harm that would cause.
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Above is a perfect example of the brainwashing I referred to. All of the prior blame is on the presidents. None of the current blame is. Hmmmmmm. Need more Kool-aid?
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If it's so easy to cut spending why did Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II all add to the national debt. When Obama took office in January 2009 there was $10.5 trillion in debt on the books that was largely run up under republican administrations since 1980. Was John McCain going to slash spending during a severe economic recession followed by a slow growth economy? No. Mitt Romney wasn’t committed to cutting anything but PBS funding. Once again, if republicans want spending cut so badly, what is stopping them from coming forward with their own plan to cut a trillion dollar deficit without raising any more tax revenue. They want Obama to do it so they can blame him for the economic harm that would cause.
As I stated in the OP I blame both parties. If you don't, maybe you could provide us with some real examples of Democrats aggressively pushing for cuts in non-defense discretionary and entitlement spending without simultaneously seeking to extract more taxes from the private sector. And when I say real, I mean in writing - like in a proposed budget. Speaking of which, where's Obama's current budget. Isn't it a couple of months past due?
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The story being neither here nor there in assigning it's blame of events did point out one very relevant fact.

That Obama is not a leader. He is a politician and one of the worst kind. As he is only interested politicizing events for maximum gain in destroying the opposition. Very rarely has he taken a strong clear position to define himself.

Budgets with no real intent to get passed.

"Jobs Bills" that are a complete joke.

Ignoring debt commission recommendations.

Again and again he proves that he is not interested in doing anything meaningful but spend. He'll talk about a jobs bill, introduce something that not even democrats will unanimously fall behind and then blame republicans and even the constituents of not doing what the president wants.

and that's what bothers me most about this president and his supporters. Is their unquestioned, blind allegiance to him. The republicans have fragmented because of the policies and actions of the republicans. Small government, libertarian minded conservatives, and those who were fundamentally against Bush doctrine policy have been abandoning the party.

The democrats are standing firmly behind this president at all costs and seek to destroy even their own (Woodward) who even dares to question him
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