Should UF petition the SEC for reinstatement of 1984 title?

[col_kurtz]

Originally Posted by Wormwood56

Actually, it was another former Florida coach who was the AD for Tennessee and led the charge: Bob Woodruff. Doug Dickey, Woodruff's QB at Florida, became AD in 1985. Woodruff also hired Dickey to be head coach at Tennessee prior to his coaching at Florida.

Woodruff was still around then? Damn must have been in a walker carrying a Foley catheter. Interesting historical ties between UT and UF.

[GatorJeff]

Originally Posted by gtr2x

No problem with that logic if it applied to everyone equally.

Probably half the conference championships and a high percentage of the national championships would be forfeited using that criteria. Tennessee was the beneficiary of one of the Gators' probations and it came out after the fact that they had been cheating also, yet there was no give back there. The name Tony Robinson comes to mind.

Clemson, Miami, Alabama, Oklahome, etc, etc all fall into that category for NCs.

Agree that it hasn't been administered consistently in football. It was an unprecedented move by the conference to keep Florida in it's place, i.e. titleless (at least for a few more years).

[garettk]

Originally Posted by magnafides

You know, you should probably throw those out, I doubt they're good anymore. Or, you could just send them to me.

They quite being good sometime before 1989. That's about when I tried to drink mine.

[KronoGator]

That's real sugar in those cokes, no freaking corn syrup.

[HungaryGator]

Originally Posted by tilly

I was just thinking...If it was taken away retroactively, could we not petition the league to simply vacate the decision to have us vacate the title? Is it possible today that cooler heads would allow us to reclaim what is OURS?

Just an off season curiosity on my part.

It something that should happen....applying a new rule retroactively is the biggest honking load of BS ever....but it won't happen.

I will just continue to claim the 1984 title now and forever. We legitimately won it under the rules in place at the time and were rightfully awarded the trophy which we have rightfully kept.

[HungaryGator]

Originally Posted by ETGator1

Not unless we can get 85 and 90 too. While 84 is vacated, the vols are getting credit for the championships we won on the field in 85 and 90.

I don't have a complaint about 85 and 90. That a team on probation could not win the conference title was a rule in place BEFORE the 1985 season. We knew full well what the deal was before toe met leather for the first time in either of those years.

1984 was different. We won the title under the rules in place. Then some butt-hurt sore losers decided they wanted to play a game of "let's pretend" and airbrush events that everyone knows took place out of history in Stalin-like fashion. It is a joke and they are a joke - then and now.

[HungaryGator]

Originally Posted by KronoGator

Nah, the SEC is run by the elephants.

Just start claiming the titles and tell them to stick it.

Alabama voted for us....as did Auburn and Mississippi State.

Georgia at the behest of Dooley and Tennessee at the behest of Doug Dickey were the ring leaders in pulling the crap they pulled at SEC media days in the spring of 1985. The thing is, everybody had told us that the conference would NOT try something like this. That factored into our decision to accept our penalty immediately rather than appealing which would have allowed us to play in the Sugar Bowl and meaning we were not on probation at the time thus giving the limpd*cks no excuse to play their little games. Obviously that is exactly what we should have done. We gave up the Sugar Bowl in 1984 so we could play in a bowl game in 1986..when the sanctions ensured we sucked.

[chipleygator]

I got you all beat. I bought a full case of the 1984 bottles in 1985 from the Gator Shop under the stadium. I was in school at the time. They had them on clearance for 50 cents each. Don't ask me why I bought them, I am just a collector of all things Gator.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by gtr2x

No problem with that logic if it applied to everyone equally.

Probably half the conference championships and a high percentage of the national championships would be forfeited using that criteria. Tennessee was the beneficiary of one of the Gators' probations and it came out after the fact that they had been cheating also, yet there was no give back there. The name Tony Robinson comes to mind.

Clemson, Miami, Alabama, Oklahome, etc, etc all fall into that category for NCs.

It doesn't matter who else cheated though. Yeah, it sucks that UT voted against us to get their SEC Title that year and then got caught cheating the next year, but it's still completely irrelevant.

We cheated. We broke the rules, and don't deserve the title that year.

I sure as heck don't want a title that we cheated to get.

[HungaryGator]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

It doesn't matter who else cheated though. Yeah, it sucks that UT voted against us to get their SEC Title that year and then got caught cheating the next year, but it's still completely irrelevant.

We cheated. We broke the rules, and don't deserve the title that year.

I sure as heck don't want a title that we cheated to get.

I don't want us ever breaking rules again BUT....I am more concerned with fairness or a level playing field than I am with the letter of the law. The fact is that at that time, everybody was cheating their butts off....MOST DEFINITELY including sow, and scUM who were both just mad because we could (and did) afford to outbid them for most of the top prospects. scUM was busted in 1982 and sow got a letter of reprimand with no sanctions (same as it ever was) in 1983 I believe.

In addition Yes, Tennessee was cheating as a subsequent investigation showed....but they were a sacred cow and got a slap on the wrist. As for the Leghumpers...does the name Jan Kemp ring a bell? Massive academic fraud to keep their illiterate players eligible. That had been going on for some time at UGA. Bama? Hmmm Pat Dye, Jackie Sherrill, Danny Ford, Charlie Pell...what do they all have in common? (Ronnie Cottrell was another). Speaking of Pat Dye...he was at Auburn at the time....

The cheating was simply rampant. So to say UF alone should have to give up a title it won while cheating but others should not have to give up the titles and honors they won while cheating is not fair and is not a level playing field.

[regator]

No. We put cheating behind us a long time ago.
Thanks to Spurrier and those after we have been a clean program.

WHy bring back up something that was not a proud time for UF football.

[GatorLaw]

What's always really irked me and many others about that whole situation is that the presidents of schools that were our rivals and who had an obvious conflict of interest were the people who did the voting. Also the fact that they waited six months to do it. If they were going to institute a new rule like that it should have been done prospectively only (and of course as others have pointed out, it's not a "rule" that's been applied to others similarly situated).

[KronoGator]

Roy Kramer, the Vandy AD at the time, was also a big voice in taking the title from Florida.

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

I got my commemorative coke bottle. I'm good.

I have one too. I'll have it forever. I'll never forget that day watching the Kentucky game at the old Rathskeller and watching us clinch that title.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by HungaryGator

I don't want us ever breaking rules again BUT....I am more concerned with fairness or a level playing field than I am with the letter of the law. The fact is that at that time, everybody was cheating their butts off....MOST DEFINITELY including sow, and scUM who were both just mad because we could (and did) afford to outbid them for most of the top prospects. scUM was busted in 1982 and sow got a letter of reprimand with no sanctions (same as it ever was) in 1983 I believe.

In addition Yes, Tennessee was cheating as a subsequent investigation showed....but they were a sacred cow and got a slap on the wrist. As for the Leghumpers...does the name Jan Kemp ring a bell? Massive academic fraud to keep their illiterate players eligible. That had been going on for some time at UGA. Bama? Hmmm Pat Dye, Jackie Sherrill, Danny Ford, Charlie Pell...what do they all have in common? (Ronnie Cottrell was another). Speaking of Pat Dye...he was at Auburn at the time....

The cheating was simply rampant. So to say UF alone should have to give up a title it won while cheating but others should not have to give up the titles and honors they won while cheating is not fair and is not a level playing field.

I get where you're coming from, but just because everyone else cheated and got away with it doesn't mean we should either.

We cheated, we didn't get that title, and that's how it should be. I'd rather have won it fair and square, by the rules. Just because others were cheating and got slaps on the wrist doesn't change that.

But perhaps some can understand why I complain at times about what I think is obvious bias from SEC refs in a number of our games every year when we seem to get hosed by ridiculous calls and other teams don't.

UF is, and always will be, considered the red-headed stepchild of the SEC. Those SEC "good 'ole boys" don't like those "surfer dudes" from Florida winning titles in this conference.

[imagatorholic]

I might as well join the crowd and put in my claim for two 84 coke bottles - one is still full. I also have a commemorative chamionship license plate, not a state legal license plate. I had it in the front license holder for a very long time too.

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

UF is, and always will be, considered the red-headed stepchild of the SEC. Those SEC "good 'ole boys" don't like those "surfer dudes" from Florida winning titles in this conference.

We have never been accepted by our conference members, even when we are winning championships and bringing in millions of dollars for our fellow SEC schools.

That's why I love Steve Spurrier as much as I do. We gave them 12 years of the most humiliating payback that any one program could dish out on the rest of their league.

And I loved every minute of it.....

[GatorJeff]

Originally Posted by KronoGator

Roy Kramer, the Vandy AD at the time, was also a big voice in taking the title from Florida.

Roy giveith and Roy takeith away. Yes, he led the charge to strip our title in 1984, but he also lobbied hard for the Gators and convinced the Bowl Coalition (forerunner to the BCS) to give us a second shot at FSU in the Sugar Bowl following the 1996 season, which ultimately led to our first national championship.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by imagatorholic

I might as well join the crowd and put in my claim for two 84 coke bottles - one is still full. I also have a commemorative chamionship license plate, not a state legal license plate. I had it in the front license holder for a very long time too.

I still have a 1984 SEC coke bottle (full) as well as the 1991 SEC Champs Coke can too (full).

[rivergator]

we broke the rules, we should have paid.