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danky1313 · 03-03-2013, 06:40 PM

I've never really given much credence to the talk over the years of all the major conferences seceding from the NCAA but recently it's started to look like that could really happen in the not too distant future. Frankly the thought of it scares the __it out of me. I think the NCAA has definitely become a disorganized paper tiger when it comes to the most important aspect of why they are there in the first place which is to monitor and enforce rules that keep the integrity of being an amateur in competition. The innability lately to oversee and enforce rules is the very reason so many, including myself, have become so discontent with the NCAA and talk about the possibility of it's end as we know it. However what scares me so much is the lack of an alternative being in place if it were to go away for some reason. In my mind if that were to happen and nothing else immediately set to take it's place then college football as we know it would be ruined forever or at least for the rest of my lifetime. I know some here think college football players should be paid handsomely because of the amount of money they make for their schools. And while I think they should certainly get a small managed stipend I feel if they were paid anything considerable it would result in a plethora of problems across the board. Now imagine what would happened if there was no law, or at least no way to monitor or enforce it. Imagine if Alabama boosters could openly go out and pay every 5 star player $100-500k to attend Bama because they knew nothing would happen to them as a punishment for it. It would be the worst thing imaginable that could happen to college sports and imparticularly college football. So...what's the alternative to the NCAA? Anyone have or hear of an idea or situation that would suffice if the NCAA were to go away or let's say make sweeping changes to fix their internal issues?

orangeblueorangeblue · 03-03-2013, 07:55 PM

The NCAA is its member schools. It's self-governing. People tend to forget that.

**go82uf** · 03-03-2013, 08:12 PM

They are necessary for order, just need to be more efficient and consistent.

geauxgator1 · 03-03-2013, 09:29 PM

A shake up is necessary in just about any organization every so often. Looks like it's past due at the NCAA. People get too comfortable and complacency sets in.

atlzamgator · 03-03-2013, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by geauxgator1

A shake up is necessary in just about any organization every so often. Looks like it's past due at the NCAA. People get too comfortable and complacency sets in.

There wont be a shake up in this life or the next for the NCAA.

Claygator · 03-04-2013, 10:01 AM

For starters, Emmert needs to go. He has done the impossible: made Miami look like a victim.

atlantagator86 · 03-04-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

The NCAA is its member schools. It's self-governing. People tend to forget that.

Exactly! The problem with the NCAA is that there is an inherent conflict of interest built into the system.

The NCAA is basically the school's means of policing themselves. There is no incentive for the NCAA to punish a school because exposing corruption in the system would be detrimental to all the schools. So they go about acting like they're they're enforcing the rules but in reality, I believe the NCAA is really trying to protect the protect the schools and protect college football.

The NCAA will never expose the real corruption unless the actions of one school are detrimental to all the other members. They will never severely punish any elite program because punishing them would hurt the college football brand.

In reality it's like the fox watching the chicken coop.

orangeblueorangeblue · 03-04-2013, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by atlantagator86

Exactly! The problem with the NCAA is that there is an inherent conflict of interest built into the system.

The NCAA is basically the school's means of policing themselves. There is no incentive for the NCAA to punish a school because exposing corruption in the system would be detrimental to all the schools. So they go about acting like they're they're enforcing the rules but in reality, I believe the NCAA is really trying to protect the protect the schools and protect college football.

The NCAA will never expose the real corruption unless the actions of one school are detrimental to all the other members. They will never severely punish any elite program because punishing them would hurt the college football brand.

In reality it's like the fox watching the chicken coop.

I'd say that perception is as big an issue, too. When the NCAA doles out punishment, it's always "too harsh" or "a bone to pick" to the school's fans, and it's always "too lenient" or "letting the sacred cows slide" by rival school's fans.

The NCAA can never win. That's problem #1.

atlantagator86 · 03-04-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I'd say that perception is as big an issue, too. When the NCAA doles out punishment, it's always "too harsh" or "a bone to pick" to the school's fans, and it's always "too lenient" or "letting the sacred cows slide" by rival school's fans.

The NCAA can never win. That's problem #1.

You think? I don't ever recall people saying an punishment was too harsh, except by the school getting the punishment.

In my opinion, the bigger problem (and I think it's somewhat intentional) is that the NCAA is kind of like a bad parent who makes a lot of heavy handed threats and throws out harsh punishments but then always backs down. They never follow through with what they say, which makes them even more weak.

orangeblueorangeblue · 03-05-2013, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by atlantagator86

You think? I don't ever recall people saying an punishment was too harsh, except by the school getting the punishment.

Well that's what I just said.

A school's fans will always think it's too harsh, that the NCAA is "after them," etc. The other schools' fans will think the opposite.

That's why I said it's literally impossible for the NCAA (or any enforcement body) to win.

gator996 · 03-05-2013, 07:51 AM

As others have said on this thread...the NCAA is its member institutions

But more specifically to your point about enforcement...

Tell me how the NCAA can realistically monitor ALL of its member institutions.

The ENTIRE NCAA organization is 400 people and all of those aren't involved in enforcement.

How many schools, programs, student athletes, sports agents, boosters, etc. can the NCAA monitor & investigate effectively?

This is pretty similar to the SEC & financial markets...

Lots of groups cheating, few people employed in stopping them.