Is the job picture actually worse than it looks

[ncgatr1]

I don't know if they are welfare queens but the people are nice and if you can put up with cool weather, it's a great place to retire. There seems to be a growing number of Americans whom are looking at Scotland and England for places to retire. A friend of mine spent three weeks there and now he is trying to move there and give up his American citizenship.

[GatorFanCF]

surfn1080 - the point was to show equivalency. 12 million unemployed against a population in 1933 of 126 million is a lot different than 12 million unemployed against a population today of 330 million. And, why can't you take the whole population as long as you're consistent and don't keep changing the rules (people not looking for work don't count - for example)? I agree that it would be more accurate to take the population aged 20 - 65 as a basis; but, that's not what was laid out in the OP.

[JerseyGator01]

I was unemployed for most of two years five years ago and I was never included on the rolls of the unemployed in Jersey although I was collecting unemployment. Unemployment stats, like most government stats, are bunk these days given the incompetent bureaucrats that dominate our government. To compare today's stats with those of the Depression is laughable.

CORRUPTION RULES!!!!!

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzucke...-than-it-looks

From the article:

12.3 million today are fully unemployed, compared to 12.8 million in 1933 at the depth of the depression. The difference is that now they're invisible, because we've organized relief differently. In our "recovery," the millions are being assisted, out of sight, by the government, through unemployment checks, Social Security disability checks, and food stamps. More than 47 million Americans are in the food stamp program, some 15 percent of the total population, compared with the 7.9 percent participation in food stamps from 1970 to 2000. Then there are the more than 11 million Americans who are collecting checks from Social Security to compensate for disability, a record. Half of them have signed on since President Obama came to office. Twenty years ago, one person was on disability for every 35 workers; today, the ratio is one for every 16. Such an increase is simply impossible to explain by disability experienced during employment, for it is inconceivable that work in America has become so much more dangerous. For many, this program is another unemployment program, only this time it is without end.

What was the population in 1933?

[GatorAvatar]

You guys need some education. Watch this report and here what business people are saying.

Technological advances, especially robotics, are revolutionizing the workplace, but not necessarily creating jobs. Steve Kroft reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_16...ng-job-growth/

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

You guys need some education. Watch this report and here what business people are saying.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_16...ng-job-growth/

I honestly doubt you can give me an education when it comes to technology. There are many high tech industries hurting for people and this has always been the case. We don't have the talent here in this country to fill the jobs, why the heck do you think there is a market for people on H1 Visa's. The employment market in general is not good in this country, hence the high unemployment numbers and people whose unimplemented ran out who are not working. I can pick out several industries hiring for people including fine in fiber optics, but that means nothing in the big picture.

[GatorFanCF]

What was the population in 1933? Avatar - read the post two above yours.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by ncgatr1

I don't know if they are welfare queens but the people are nice and if you can put up with cool weather, it's a great place to retire. There seems to be a growing number of Americans whom are looking at Scotland and England for places to retire. A friend of mine spent three weeks there and now he is trying to move there and give up his American citizenship.

Good God! I can envision any number of countries that might offer more freedom than the US, but UK ?

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by GatorFanCF

Population in 1933 = 126 million 12 million unemployed = about 10%
Population in 2013 = 330 million 12 million unemployed = about 4%
Sure, if you add up the Food Stamps, and SSDI the total is 70 million or over 20%.

Here is, IMHO, what is worse: the idea you cannot get a job. I know a 22 year old male, convicted for a drug offense (felony), who got a job working for trade contractor in Orlando on HIS FIRST INTERVIEW he went on after being out of jail. I've told my children "if you can convince the person hiring you will do these 3 things you will never lack for work: 1. you won't steal from them, 2. you will regularly show up on time and work through the day, 3. you will be coachable." Every business owner I've asked agrees with that statement.

What is worse is not that these programs exist it is that we as a nation are becoming so weak that we settle for the scraps off the producers table. It has been written here on THFSG that a parent making under $10,000 annually is actually better off than the person making $25,000 because of various societal support program$$$$. I believe most people care about their fellow man - but only 15 - 20% are willing to have that difficult conversation with the neighbor, give some money to a friend who is struggling but trying to do the right thing. We've outsourced "caring" the government and it's going to hurt us and hurt us badly before it gets better. When the government can not longer deliver to the needy folks - who do not know their neighbor, who do not have relationships with others outside their economic circle (not saying it's their fault or 100% their responsibility, it's not) - will be angry and will do whatever they can to provide for themselves. That's the day it bites us in the place where our wallets used to be.

I thought unemployment was +8% ? Are more than half of them not even looking for employment?

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

I thought unemployment was +8% ? Are more than half of them not even looking for employment?

He calculated total unemployment. Our actual unemployment figures obviously do not include children or those who are retired.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

He calculated total unemployment. Our actual unemployment figures obviously do not include children or those who are retired.

As soon as I hit send I figured it out.... Chose to get confirmation though - Thanks.

[Gatormb]

Originally Posted by surfn1080

My wife is a social worker for Orlando health. She see many things that really upset me. It's amazing to me that I also see what appears to be able bodied young individuals collecting 800-1200 a month for ssdi. I'm a mortgage broker and so by law I have to do what I can but it definitely erks me.

Been in the same business for 35 years (you going to Tallahassee in 2 weeks?) and if I had $100 for every applicant on SSI who gave me the "yeah but I work under the table" line I could retire a wealthy man.

There's a mortgage broker in Venice who does a ton of reverses and she's on 100% disability. Knocks down 10-15k per month and has her company pay her husband.

May have changed recently with the new NMLS reporting but I'll bet she's found a way around it. I had an opportunity to hire her seven years ago and passed.

[RealGatorFan]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzucke...-than-it-looks

From the article:

12.3 million today are fully unemployed, compared to 12.8 million in 1933 at the depth of the depression. The difference is that now they're invisible, because we've organized relief differently. In our "recovery," the millions are being assisted, out of sight, by the government, through unemployment checks, Social Security disability checks, and food stamps. More than 47 million Americans are in the food stamp program, some 15 percent of the total population, compared with the 7.9 percent participation in food stamps from 1970 to 2000. Then there are the more than 11 million Americans who are collecting checks from Social Security to compensate for disability, a record. Half of them have signed on since President Obama came to office. Twenty years ago, one person was on disability for every 35 workers; today, the ratio is one for every 16. Such an increase is simply impossible to explain by disability experienced during employment, for it is inconceivable that work in America has become so much more dangerous. For many, this program is another unemployment program, only this time it is without end.

Did they actually compare population numbers from 1930s and today? If so, they should be stripped of every title and service they have. Such incompetence should be rewarded with immediate poverty.

[RealGatorFan]

Unemployment and underemployment are 2 different things. There is also the issue of being employed but not in your area of expertise. My older brother with nearly 45 yrs experience in photography is a manager for a phone solicitations company. Many people who were laid off are in areas that they originally didn't come from and nearly 90% of them didn't go up the ladder.

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Originally Posted by gatordowneast

If Bush were still president or any pub for that matter, the real # would not be 12 M + but the 23 M if you include those working part time that are trying to find full time employment and of course the millions who have simply given up. The lap dog media will not be truthful and I'm pretty convinced those who work in the dept of labor do everything possible to make chicken $hit look like chicken salad for Obama. Can't prove it, but someone can and likely will when the books are written about President Obama.

that simply isn't true....they didn't recently just change the way the counted the unemployed