Why are some "sins" overlooked vs. others?

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by OaktownGator

Really?

Since WWII, we've been engaged in wars and other covert military actions almost non-stop... which of those were we legitimately in danger from the "enemy"?

I'll buy AQ. But of course we effectively created them with our prior meddling in Afghanistan and throughout the Mideast.

USSR, if we had ever gone to war, was certainly a credible threat. Explains why we didn't go to war with them (or them with us). And why we'll never go to war with China... at least not in the foreseeable future.

Next to that, Korea's first round of Hyundai vehicles was probably the greatest threat.


The man was clearly correct from the govt's POV.

Although I believe he underestimated the blood lust among many in our population... and others.

People around this very forum talk about "turning the desert to glass" like they're rooting for the Gators kick butt on the Dawgs.

Too many people are too cavalier about the idea of raining down death and dismemberment on peoples we don't know, who've done nothing to us, and pose no credible threat to us.

Believe it or not, the first time I ever heard the saying "turn to glass" ... was in a Bible study. It was uttered by a nice, middle-aged lady in the aftermath of 9/11. She wanted the government to turn Afghanistan into glass.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by OaktownGator

Really?

Since WWII, we've been engaged in wars and other covert military actions almost non-stop... which of those were we legitimately in danger from the "enemy"?

I'll buy AQ. But of course we effectively created them with our prior meddling in Afghanistan and throughout the Mideast.

USSR, if we had ever gone to war, was certainly a credible threat. Explains why we didn't go to war with them (or them with us). And why we'll never go to war with China... at least not in the foreseeable future.

Next to that, Korea's first round of Hyundai vehicles was probably the greatest threat.


The man was clearly correct from the govt's POV.

Although I believe he underestimated the blood lust among many in our population... and others.

People around this very forum talk about "turning the desert to glass" like they're rooting for the Gators kick butt on the Dawgs.

Too many people are too cavalier about the idea of raining down death and dismemberment on peoples we don't know, who've done nothing to us, and pose no credible threat to us.

Has there been bad intelligence and bad decisions made based on both good and bad intelligence through the years? Absolutely.

That does not mean our leaders are looking for excuses to go to war and put our service men and women in harms way...

[OaktownGator]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

Has there been bad intelligence and bad decisions made based on both good and bad intelligence through the years? Absolutely.

That does not mean our leaders are looking for excuses to go to war and put our service men and women in harms way...

It is not that they want to put service men and women in harm's way... just that their lives and the lives of people in other countries are secondary to MIC and other large stakeholder priorities.

It's very much like a manufacturing corporation that poisons the local environment. They are not doing it specifically to put residents in harms way... they just have other priorities that make the lives of local residents secondary.

Of course, I would also point to our track record as very clear evidence that this is the case.

[OaktownGator]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Believe it or not, the first time I ever heard the saying "turn to glass" ... was in a Bible study. It was uttered by a nice, middle-aged lady in the aftermath of 9/11. She wanted the government to turn Afghanistan into glass.

Wow... that was an opportunity for contemplation. Crises often get the best of good people.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by OaktownGator

It is not that they want to put service men and women in harm's way... just that their lives and the lives of people in other countries are secondary to MIC and other large stakeholder priorities.

It's very much like a manufacturing corporation that poisons the local environment. They are not doing it specifically to put residents in harms way... they just have other priorities that make the lives of local residents secondary.

Of course, I would also point to our track record as very clear evidence that this is the case.

So they don't want to put our service men and women in harms way but do.

Okay...

[OaktownGator]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

So they don't want to put our service men and women in harms way but do.

Okay...

Again, their lives are secondary to other priorities. You can consider that intentional, but I'd be willing to bet the people making the decisions rationalize the justness of their decisions based on their perverted priorities.

The idea that we have to make wars and overturn governments in the mideast in an effort to protect access to mideast oil is an easy example. There are people who think that is perfectly rational and just.... and to the OP, don't spend much time contemplating sins... "You shall not murder" apparently doesn't cross their mind.

Of course, you never answered my question... tell me which military actions since WWII (we haven't actually declared war since then) have involved a legitimate threat to the American people?

The answer to that question tells you whether we inappropriately put our service men and women in harm's way... on a regular basis.

[Dreamliner]

I think it's also fair to point out that American conservative Christians, perhaps more than any other demographic, actually venerate the military. It is quite common to hear prayers offered up, from pulpits on Sundays, for soldiers overseas killing people who pose no threat to Americans.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by OaktownGator

Again, their lives are secondary to other priorities. You can consider that intentional, but I'd be willing to bet the people making the decisions rationalize the justness of their decisions based on their perverted priorities.

The idea that we have to make wars and overturn governments in the mideast in an effort to protect access to mideast oil is an easy example. There are people who think that is perfectly rational and just.... and to the OP, don't spend much time contemplating sins... "You shall not murder" apparently doesn't cross their mind.

Of course, you never answered my question... tell me which military actions since WWII (we haven't actually declared war since then) have involved a legitimate threat to the American people?

The answer to that question tells you whether we inappropriately put our service men and women in harm's way... on a regular basis.

Wish I could do that. Why don't you tell me which military threats have not involved a legitimate threat to the American people? Your confidence makes it appear you have seen intelligence most are not privileged to see.

As I said before. I have no doubt bad decisions were made. But I just don't think they were made lightly...

[Dreamliner]

For followers of Christ, why should American lives be more sacred than other lives ?

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

For followers of Christ, why should American lives be more sacred than other lives ?

They shouldn't!

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

They shouldn't!

But isn't that the clear implication of American Christians' endorsement of American wars ? They'd be outraged if the government killed American kids.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

But isn't that the clear implication of American Christians' endorsement of American wars ? They'd be outraged if the government killed American kids.

I have never seen Christians endorse/want to go to war...

I have seen them support those who are willing to protect us from evil...

I would agree there is evil in our government but I do not believe it has been a driver for war. At least for most of the elected leaders with access to intel we do not have. I could be wrong.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

I have never seen Christians endorse/want to go to war...

I have seen them support those who are willing to protect us from evil...

I would agree there is evil in our government but I do not believe it has been a driver for war. At least for most of the elected leaders with access to intel we do not have. I could be wrong.

What about the evil of American wars ?

[Gatormb]

Not sure five terrorist attacks a day (over 20,000 since 9/11 where over 3,000 died) represent no threat to "The Great Satan".

9/11 was not an isolated incident and only the Gov't knows how many other acres have been thwarted.

'Turn the other cheek"?

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

What about the evil of American wars ?

What were the intentions and cause for them?

Again I do not doubt we were involved in some bipartisan conflicts we should not have been a part of. But did the intel (good or bad) support those decisions? I don't know.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

What were the intentions and cause for them?

Again I do not doubt we were involved in some bipartisan conflicts we should not have been a part of. But did the intel (good or bad) support those decisions? I don't know.

I'm saying that our going to war is the greater evil. And historically, American conservatives get behind them.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

I'm saying that our going to war is the greater evil. And historically, American conservatives get behind them.

And I say it is not evil to protect yourself from evil.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

And I say it is not evil to protect yourself from evil.

Then aside from the question as to why Christians don't defend themselves against their own government, what did Jesus say to do to evil people ?

I just don't see where American Christians are big on Jesus. Now, they are big on AMERICA. They are idolaters.

[Tim85]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Then aside from the question as to why Christians don't defend themselves against their own government, what did Jesus say to do to evil people ?

I just don't see where American Christians are big on Jesus. Now, they are big on AMERICA. They are idolaters.

Dream, Jesus didn't teach how to run a government, he taught how to live our personal lives 'as we go.' Trying to use the direct quotes of Jesus to justify or not justify how a government should act in a certain situation seems to just be taking it way out of context to me.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Tim85

Dream, Jesus didn't teach how to run a government, he taught how to live our personal lives 'as we go.' Trying to use the direct quotes of Jesus to justify or not justify how a government should act in a certain situation seems to just be taking it way out of context to me.

Seems like the show is on the other foot. As far as I'm concerned, it is for Americanists who call themselves worshippers of Christ, to explain the basis for their trust in Caesar.