The final insult for Tim, as if it hadn't already happened.

[pnotine]

Maybe Tim wil be included in a deal that sends Revis to SF for a bunch of Draft picks.
Tim would be a great back up in SF

[gator34654]

Can't wait for TT to get out of NY, hated the jets before and even more so now. It will be great once again to cheer agains them.

If NFL doesn't work out for TT so be it. Like DW, TT will make a significant difference in impacting people for good and that has eternal significance. TT is a great great role model for consistency and no comprimise of character. We all are learning from him.

[elrongator]

I agree that "football gurus" are a dime a dozen, wrong more often than right, love to take credit for players they didn't predict would succeed once they do, and generally perform at a barely above brain dead/head stuck firmly up ass level most of the time.
These are the same breed of jackholes who used to jeer and say the forward pass wouldn't work. The same idiots now saying spread offenses can't work in the NFL after Cam Newton and RGIII win consecutive rookie of the year awards running essentially spread formation stuff, and continue their stubborn commitment to ignorance despite Colin Kaepernick nearly winning a Super Bowl as a run/throw QB rookie.
So relying on these geniuses to support an argument that Tebow can't make it at Qb in the NFL is like relying on Baskin Robbins to determine your ideal weight.
Tebow's record his entire football career at any level provides solid evidence that he can win as a QB and there is literally no actual evidence from his career to support the opposite.

As for the ridiculous statement that someone made that giving Tim credit for Denver's shocking 180 degree turn around once he was named their starter is unsupported by fact...I literally have to laugh in your face!!! Seriously, what other changes can anybody give to support anything other than the entrance of Tebow to account for that team's remarkable change in fortune???!!?? Did they add any new coaches or players? Did key players suddenly come off injury reports to active duty?? Answer...NO. The only difference was that once Tebow was added to the mix that sad sack piss poor team was infused with Winner Juice compliments of Tebow. Period. End of story.
You can argue with your heads in the sand all day long about Tebow being a distraction, the unwanted media circus that surrounds him, the requirement that a team might have to change personnel and/or play design to help him help a team win, but don't come around with BS garbage about any proof that Tebow can't be an NFL Qb because that evidence doesn't exist and he hasn't been given the opportunity to create that evidence since being sent to the Jets.

Tebow is a winner. Period. End of story. He can win anywhere and has.
That's all the evidence that exists.

As an added note, I agree that Jaguar apologists who claim that team lacks support from the surrounding community are smoking crack. Just because fans choose to bitch that the team sucks (news flash...it does), does not make them unsupportive.
Also their new GM should spend more time figuring out how to put a winning team together and less time committing to never wanting Tebow. He'd look like less of an ass hat to Tebow fans, and accomplish alot more.

[gatorr4life]

^^^ great post

[GATORAZ]

Tim is probably going to get cut since I doubt someone will trade for him but I dont know why people think that is the best thing for him

[elrongator]

I think what most people believe is that his situation can't do anything but improve after he is removed from the dumpster fire coached by a fetish loving weirdo with not much to back his NFL acumen.
Not sure if its great for Tebow, but only a fresh start will help him at this point. A fresh start and a coach and management willing to support him long enough for him to mesh and develop with team mates.

[adgator]

Wouldn't mind seeing him take his talents to the Tampa Bay Bucs. They have a great recieving corps and I believe TT would get a lot of respect in Tampa and give him a chance to show his real skills and leadership. His worst decision was going to the Jets for many reasons including many of their lack of fan support.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by elrongator

I think what most people believe is that his situation can't do anything but improve after he is removed from the dumpster fire coached by a fetish loving weirdo with not much to back his NFL acumen.
Not sure if its great for Tebow, but only a fresh start will help him at this point. A fresh start and a coach and management willing to support him long enough for him to mesh and develop with team mates.

But do you really think their is a team out there with a head coach and management that believe in Tebow?

People on here are so mad about the situation they want Tebow to get fired and lose income. Which just proves people dont think logical when it comes to Tim.

[gatorboy]

The jags never wanted him.

[ACCecil]

I believe the Jets acquired Tebow to steal publicity from the Giant who were coming off another thrilling SB victory over the Pats. I do not believe he got a "fair shot" to play as evidenced by starting McElroy over Tebow at the end of the year when Sanchez was hurt and even before that not letting Tebow start when Sanchez sucked al year.

The Jets apparently don't believe in Karma.

You don't screw with people like that and not have it come back against you. This will be a Chicago Cubs Goat type curse for the next 200 years on the Jets.

What I don't understand, though, is people saying there is no evidence that Tebow can't play in the NFL. I think there is some evidence but I won't bother trying to convince anyone because some of you have made up your minds and there isn't any way any light is getting in there anytime soon so far be it from me to worry about it one way or the other. Believe what you want. The untruth will not set you free.

I also fail to get why no one is working Tebow out or why Tebow isn't working out for someone since he might be a FA in about two weeks. I do not watch much NFL football, it bores hell out of me, but a year ago when Tebow was leading the Broncos that was the best story in sports at the time. I want him to get his shot. I do NOT, repeat, do NOT want Tebow to go somewhere, like San Fran, and be a backup. What is the point in that? No. I want to Tebow to have a shot to win the job somewhere.

That is why I posted earlier on this thread and said if I was Tebow or Tebow's agent I'd be lobbying the Jags hard. The Jags, the Bucs or the Miami Fishsticks would all work perfectly for Tebow. Canada is an option worth looking at but only if every NFL team passes on him first. He is a great human being. He will be fine after football so no worries there although life ain't free so it would be nice if he can make some coin before he gets out of the NFL rat race.

One other thing I don't get ......

The notion that Tebow will improve an NFL locker room by setting a good example and by working hard. I don't get that. In fact, I think it is a little insulting to other NFL players to hear that. ALL NFL players work hard. Repeat ALL of them work hard except a few knuckleheads but 98% have personal trainers and train 360 days a year. None of them really need any rah-rah crap either. It isn't college. They are paid professional gladiators and I think one reason why Tebow may be having trouble is that some of his teammates resent some of the rah-rah stuff that may happen with Tebow that they simply do not need or value.

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by gator996

Personally, I would like to see him win the NYJ job...

Id hate to see him win the jets job, I hate the jets

[GATORAZ]

ACCecil Tebow you cant work out a guy that is on another team


This "fair shot" stuff needs to stop he is in the NFL. Nobody was saying "fair shot" for Quinn when Tebow jumped him in Denver.

The Florida teams dont want Tebow and agent is not going to act like that for one client it makes him look bad

You last point is dead on its the NFL

[Gatuar]

Tim made all the right choices with his football career ....then when it was on a silver platter for hi to return home he chose the Jets

I assume he just got bad advice

[GatorLaw]

Originally Posted by IH8REFS

The fact is that the only coaches that have the balls to run an offense in which Tebow might be productive (Harbaugh and Shanahan) already have QBs. Perhaps Reid is looking to do something similar, but he chose Smith over Tebow. There are 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL. This is a very limited market, and it's even more limited when you are not a traditional QB.

Agreed. But there are also 2 other QBs on most of those 32 teams. It's hard to believe that no team will sign Tim as even a 3rd string QB. He has to be better than some of those guys. Just as one example, Minnesota had to play their backup QB near the end of the season and that guy put on an absolutely horrendous performance. I can't even imagine what Minnesota's third string QB must look like if that guy (can't remember his name, he was eminently forgettable) was the backup.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by GatorLaw

Agreed. But there are also 2 other QBs on most of those 32 teams. It's hard to believe that no team will sign Tim as even a 3rd string QB. He has to be better than some of those guys. Just as one example, Minnesota had to play their backup QB near the end of the season and that guy put on an absolutely horrendous performance. I can't even imagine what Minnesota's third string QB must look like if that guy (can't remember his name, he was eminently forgettable) was the backup.

While Tim is probably better than Joe Webb if you were the Gm of Minnesota would you really bring in Tim as the back up knowing how much media attention he gets? It is much easier on your franchise to sign Matt Cassell or Rex Grossman

[atlantagator86]

Originally Posted by ACCecil

One other thing I don't get ......

The notion that Tebow will improve an NFL locker room by setting a good example and by working hard. I don't get that. In fact, I think it is a little insulting to other NFL players to hear that. ALL NFL players work hard. Repeat ALL of them work hard except a few knuckleheads but 98% have personal trainers and train 360 days a year. None of them really need any rah-rah crap either. It isn't college. They are paid professional gladiators and I think one reason why Tebow may be having trouble is that some of his teammates resent some of the rah-rah stuff that may happen with Tebow that they simply do not need or value.

I have a different opinion of this. First of all, I think many NFL players are lazier than you, but I completely agree that Tebow's presence in the locker room probably isn't going to make other players train harder. I think in the locker room, Tebow becomes more of a distraction. There are quite a few players that just don't like him and never will. I think his presence was a distraction in the locker room in both Denver and Ney York.

But I do think there are times in a game when players may alter their effort based on another player. They may try to hold blocks longer for a QB who buys time or continue their routes where they would stop with another QB. And I think there are times when seeing a guy give extra effort on the field will inspire a player to try a little harder. I think that's a big part of what we saw from Tebow at UF and we saw at times in Denver, but he was never given an opportunity to do in NY.

To your previous point, Tebow can't work out for anybody as he's currently "property" of the Jets.

[gatordowneast]

Originally Posted by fubar1

The NFL just needs to fold up the shop on the Jags and let the rest of the teams pick over the players. The franchise is dead, the owner and GM are dolts and the city doesn't adequately support the team.

Time to do what already should have been done.

Uhh..I am not particularly a Jags fan though we did have club seats the first 5 years, but do you realize the Jags were 22nd of 32 in attendance? Even in their worst years, they were never at the bottom in attendance, though why, I do not know?

Plenty of franchises (Buffalo, Oakland, Tampa, Miami,are in far worse shape (fan base) and Jag's new owner is probably in the top 2-3 owners in net worth. They also have a new GM and they have cleaned house bringing in bright, sharp, tech savy back office types replacing the holdovers who were clearly over matched, beaten down and burned out.

Jags suffered when they cut ties with Coughlin, brought in Shack Harris as GM and replaced him with someone worse...Gene Smith. Weak leaders attract other weak people and that is essentially what happened. New Owner is bringing in a new regime so we shall see.

[geauxgator1]

Originally Posted by elrongator

I agree that "football gurus" are a dime a dozen, wrong more often than right, love to take credit for players they didn't predict would succeed once they do, and generally perform at a barely above brain dead/head stuck firmly up ass level most of the time.
These are the same breed of jackholes who used to jeer and say the forward pass wouldn't work. The same idiots now saying spread offenses can't work in the NFL after Cam Newton and RGIII win consecutive rookie of the year awards running essentially spread formation stuff, and continue their stubborn commitment to ignorance despite Colin Kaepernick nearly winning a Super Bowl as a run/throw QB rookie.
So relying on these geniuses to support an argument that Tebow can't make it at Qb in the NFL is like relying on Baskin Robbins to determine your ideal weight.
Tebow's record his entire football career at any level provides solid evidence that he can win as a QB and there is literally no actual evidence from his career to support the opposite.

As for the ridiculous statement that someone made that giving Tim credit for Denver's shocking 180 degree turn around once he was named their starter is unsupported by fact...I literally have to laugh in your face!!! Seriously, what other changes can anybody give to support anything other than the entrance of Tebow to account for that team's remarkable change in fortune???!!?? Did they add any new coaches or players? Did key players suddenly come off injury reports to active duty?? Answer...NO. The only difference was that once Tebow was added to the mix that sad sack piss poor team was infused with Winner Juice compliments of Tebow. Period. End of story.
You can argue with your heads in the sand all day long about Tebow being a distraction, the unwanted media circus that surrounds him, the requirement that a team might have to change personnel and/or play design to help him help a team win, but don't come around with BS garbage about any proof that Tebow can't be an NFL Qb because that evidence doesn't exist and he hasn't been given the opportunity to create that evidence since being sent to the Jets.

Tebow is a winner. Period. End of story. He can win anywhere and has.
That's all the evidence that exists.

As an added note, I agree that Jaguar apologists who claim that team lacks support from the surrounding community are smoking crack. Just because fans choose to bitch that the team sucks (news flash...it does), does not make them unsupportive.
Also their new GM should spend more time figuring out how to put a winning team together and less time committing to never wanting Tebow. He'd look like less of an ass hat to Tebow fans, and accomplish alot more.

Good post Elron. You hit it all the points. Put this thread to bed.

[Swampgenie]

Why all the talk?

When given the opportunity, Tim took a NFL team to the playoffs, and beat the Steelers. Better put, he led an NFL team to victories and a playoff win. What I saw was a group of men believe in themselves. In the NFL, QB's are the most important commodity. Just ask The Baltimore Ravens. Joe Flacco led that team to the Super Bowl. I saw Tim do the same in Denver. His game isn't the traditional approach, but with the Pistol, why wouldn't a team wouldn't want a Big Strong QB running it. RGIII like Vick aren't physical enough to survive a full season. Also, in our current times of NFL players beating and raping women, killing team mates as drunks and never ending Drugs and PEDS and bountygate..etc...etc.. I could care a crap if some women beater is jealous that Tim Tebow is getting a lot of GOOD media attention. Owners and GM's are losing the battle. They need a Tim Tebow. Distraction...no way. Put him in, give him the key's and if he then fails...then you nay sayers can talk your crow, and I'll slap on the damn mustard, but until he's proven not to be a winning QB in the NFL, you guy's have no platform to state your crow.

Why do you think Ryan and the Jet's didn't play Tim?? They played a sic terrible 3rd string guy. He like Sanchez stunk it up. The organization couldn't chance Tim leading them to victory. They had all ready committed blasphemy. When trading day comes, Tim will get traded. He has value. Big value. We could all be surprised. maybe someone like The Raiders or The Titans. I'm just saying.

[geauxgator1]

Originally Posted by Swampgenie

Why all the talk?

When given the opportunity, Tim took a NFL team to the playoffs, and beat the Steelers. Better put, he led an NFL team to victories and a playoff win. What I saw was a group of men believe in themselves. In the NFL, QB's are the most important commodity. Just ask The Baltimore Ravens. Joe Flacco led that team to the Super Bowl. I saw Tim do the same in Denver. His game isn't the traditional approach, but with the Pistol, why wouldn't a team wouldn't want a Big Strong QB running it. RGIII like Vick aren't physical enough to survive a full season. Also, in our current times of NFL players beating and raping women, killing team mates as drunks and never ending Drugs and PEDS and bountygate..etc...etc.. I could care a crap if some women beater is jealous that Tim Tebow is getting a lot of GOOD media attention. Owners and GM's are losing the battle. They need a Tim Tebow. Distraction...no way. Put him in, give him the key's and if he then fails...then you nay sayers can talk your crow, and I'll slap on the damn mustard, but until he's proven not to be a winning QB in the NFL, you guy's have no platform to state your crow.

Why do you think Ryan and the Jet's didn't play Tim?? They played a sic terrible 3rd string guy. He like Sanchez stunk it up. The organization couldn't chance Tim leading them to victory. They had all ready committed blasphemy. When trading day comes, Tim will get traded. He has value. Big value. We could all be surprised. maybe someone like The Raiders or The Titans. I'm just saying.

I like your optimism, but I just don't see the rest of the NFL GM's thinking like we think. Unfortunaltely I don't think he has much if any trade value. Maybe he gets a chance to make a team as a free agent, but I don't see anybody picking him up on a trade.